Child birth without an income?

Mm I suppose you're right. Some people are just awful though. My mums friend has 12 children and at least half of them have disabilities like autism, epilepsy, heart conditions etc. She keeps on having children she has another like every 2 years. Her eldest is 21 and the youngest is 1. She claims all types of benefits for them all, disability, saying they need a statement for disability on the ones that don't and she sends them all to special schools when they all don't need to. She buys her kids dresses that cost like £500 per time because she get's £2000 per child in dvla a month (except the eldest ones). My sister is generally disabled and she'd said to my mum 'Oh no, you won't get disability for her like I do mine', but my school had a statement written for my sister because she is unable to do a lot of basic things and my mum gets it at £49 a week, which is a lot less than her friend gets so she thinks it's wrong that she keeps having children that are disabled and crammed in to a 4 bedroomed house with an attic room. Even though something was brought out where you don't get benefits after your first child is born my mums friend is somehow able to.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

First off I just want to say other people's business does not concern me and I don't mean to offend anyone.

I'm sure there are really loving young mothers and fathers out there, but regardless I think it's extremely irresponsible to have a child before you're financially stable. It is depriving the child from having a stable upbringing. I really think it's important for parents today to make sure they're in a stable and safe environment before they have kids. Especially today where we live in a society where we have the opportunity to work towards being financially stable, and where we can choose to be pro-choice I just don't understand why some folks have kids too early knowing they can't even pay for their own way let alone another human.

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I might be coming in a bit late on this, but this quote has essentially said what i wanted to say.

Although i realise that majority of teenage pregnancies are not intended, if you cannot finiancially support a child then you should do everything to avoid having one in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Accipiter

I don't make debates, and if you look at the first post you'd see it was moved to this section.

1) College in the UK, is not what College is to america, it is basically your final years of high school but with only 1 specialist subject, aka we'd get a BTEC or A Levels that would then up us onto University

American schooling system is

Juniors?>Seniors?>Highschool?>College? I believe

The uk's is:

Primary(Juniors)>Secondary(Seniors)>College(High school)>University(Your equivalent to college)

Obviously we've misunderstood each other due to the differences in our different education systems.

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Its Pre-School, Kindergarten, Elementary, Middle, Highschool, then college or university.

And yeah we obviously did.

I don't see this to be a debate of whether the state should subsidize single mothers or not. Each case of being raised by a single parent is different in its own right. You get people divorced etc. so if there was such a thing, there would need to be a body of people analyzing each case. Now the fact that once the baby is born, there is nothing to do but to help fund the mother, otherwise the state itself would be much worse off in the long-run. Things such a crime and other elements will increase in the long-run. However, I do agree on lowering the benefits in order not to make life too easy.

Now back to the issue here, there has been a cultural shift over the last few decades- from the modernist movement at the start of the previous century actually. Things were getting re-defined and re-shaped in terms of child bearing in terms of age etc.. Due to a social shift, our social climate is less about going out there and building a life from a younger age, but rather being educated and building this life after.

To the person who said their mother was 19 but they weren't quote "messed up" is presenting a silly point. Of course you won't be messed up in a sense, but you will not have the best upbringing you could have. Especially the fact that by that age a human mind has not yet reached full maturity. If you are to have children at such an age, then that decision alone, considering you are not fully educated, yet alone established financially means that it was quite a silly decision. I blame these things on poor upbringing and a weak education system that does not substantially address these issues.

My Parents were in their late 30's when I was born, All my friends say 'oh your parents are old' Me: Yeah, well, I have 50 grand saved up for Univeristy/College, I get like anything I want. MW3, XBOX, Computer, Wii, etc. + They still know the old way to raise a child, Smack him when he does something wrong, Call that child abuse? I respect my dad for smacking me, Teaches me better + Teaches me to be a man, and no my parents havn'tbrainwashedme.

I agree with you Accipiter on your original post. Our government is always willing to give financial support to those low lives who won't make anything of their lives. That's what's wrong with this country. Unfortunately it won't change, UK is going down the ****ter.. (I'm assuming you live in the UK btw) :)

My friend however has endometriosis and unfortunately at age 18 she has decided to have a child because she won't be able to have one later in life. I don't mind her claiming benefits, actually I'll happily pay my taxes for her.

My parents own a property company and a story similar to yours you wrote happened to a tenant of ours. She basically only had the child to claim the benefits and the neighbours were always shocked to see the baby being left on her own all day in an empty house and once she was outside crying at 11pm when she was having a house party for her and her friends. Social services didn't take her baby away because they wanted 'more proof' it was actually ridicolous. Her and her bf (who had just come out of prison btw) were both drug addicts and he was actually a drug dealer.

People like that who play the system make me sick and to be honest a lot of people think the same way but nothing ever gets done about it?

Every pregnant woman does, they are clearly covered income hence how they're pregnant.