Child birth without an income?

[Accipiter]

To say, having a child without having any income, intentionally giving birth to a child while living on the dole.

I find it quite disgraceful to have the ignorance of such, a girl in my school year just done this very thing.

She got bullied all of her life, which I have sympathy for. But to bring a child into the world you've just been harassed in all your life once again is very ignorant, especially when you're of a young age, and had it to a 22 year old man who still walks the streets trying to get street cred rather than a job.

It pretty much boiled my blood when I heard that she'd done it, the kid now looks towards a poor quality of life and pretty much the same background of the mothers, she, nor the father look like they have any intentions to get a job so the child will be brought up by our taxes.

18 years of age and ignorant enough to give birth to a child when you can't even look after yourself is despicable and shouldn't be allowed.

The mother could have waited 2 years and have had money in hand then had a child, but they've stupidly went out and gave birth to a child without anything to give it, yes it can be loved by the parents still, but it's education and life style are hardly going to be of standard.

What is your opinion? Personally it boils my blood that people can go out and do it on purpose.

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[MKR&*42]

To say, having a child without having any income, intentionally giving birth to a child while living on the dole.

I find it quite disgraceful to have the ignorance of such, a girl in my school year just done this very thing.

She got bullied all of her life, which I have sympathy for. But to bring a child into the world you've just been harassed in all your life once again is very ignorant, especially when you're of a young age, and had it to a 22 year old man who still walks the streets trying to get street cred rather than a job.

It pretty much boiled my blood when I heard that she'd done it, the kid now looks towards a poor quality of life and pretty much the same background of the mothers, she, nor the father look like they have any intentions to get a job so the child will be brought up by our taxes.

18 years of age and ignorant enough to give birth to a child when you can't even look after yourself is despicable and shouldn't be allowed.

The mother could have waited 2 years and have had money in hand then had a child, but they've stupidly went out and gave birth to a child without anything to give it, yes it can be loved by the parents still, but it's education and life style are hardly going to be of standard.

What is your opinion? Personally it boils my blood that people can go out and do it on purpose.

Urgh, well - my mum was 19 when she gave birth to me and she couldn't financially support herself... I never grew up completely messed up, I think I have a great life in my opinion

Yeah, I do however think that some teenage mothers need to wait - mine didn't, but she knew how to take care of a child properly (somehow) compared to some 17 year old girls you see smoking and ignoring their children... it just makes me think "wow, aren't you a good parent!"

Having a decent amount of income definitely helps I would think, the child's obviously going to get a slightly better chance in life and will have a better quality of life but I don't think a low amount/no income is going to ruin everything. If the mother is a caring person who looks after her child properly.. then you can't put a price on love :3

I would say that 18 should be the minimum for a mother to have a child - at 17 or below, you don't really have an idea of what to do in your life.

[Jssy]

I think it depends on the person.
If this girl intends on getting a job and financially supporting her child then I think it's fine but if she's lazy and has no intentions of working then I think it's wrong. If you want a child you should pay for it yourself.

[Accipiter]

From what i've seen of the female that made me bring this up, her nor her partner are aiming to get jobs.

I agree that some parents will still love a child even if they're young themselves, I hope the best for the child but I am hardly in a position to respect the mother as of yet.

[-:Undertaker:-]

This is what happens when you have a culture where the traditonal family and marriage is undermined.

The cultural revolutionaries insist that the traditional family doesn't matter, and here are the results. I am quite frankly suprised this lady didn't go the whole hog in her selfishness and have an abortion as thousands do every year, justifying it on the usual grounds of 'im not ready for a child', 'the child wont have a good life' or any other of the usual tosh when people selfishly put themselves before the child despite the problem being a consquence of their own selfish actions (having sex) in the first place.

But no, the state shouldn't subsidise unmarried mothers.

[Accipiter]

It's pretty much a life of poverty what they've given this young innocent child, and I disagree with it.

I'm a person that stands by love rather than marriage, I will still marry the woman I love, but I will most likely have children to her first. But I wouldn't bring a child into a life style where I couldn't support it, and certainly not at such a young age, the minimum age I feel it is acceptable to have a child at is 22, 23 being comfortable.

This child is going to be living in lower class throughout its life, the parents have shown lack of education and in my eyes schools only teach your child 50%, the rest falls to the parents and behaviourism, the kid will most likely come out to be like its parents because the parents will show a lack of education and a lack of control, it's a reoccurring chain of events that are hard to stop in a family.

[Chippiewill]

Immoral? Yes. Illegal? No.

Dumb people do dumb things. I'd move on to be honest.

[Accipiter]

Theres not much we can do I agree, all it was, was a basic rant, which is why it was initially in Lifestyle.

But once again our education system failed this girl and boy, and it's now had a domino effect on the child.

[dbgtz]

It's pretty much a life of poverty what they've given this young innocent child, and I disagree with it.

I'm a person that stands by love rather than marriage, I will still marry the woman I love, but I will most likely have children to her first. But I wouldn't bring a child into a life style where I couldn't support it, and certainly not at such a young age, the minimum age I feel it is acceptable to have a child at is 22, 23 being comfortable.

This child is going to be living in lower class throughout its life, the parents have shown lack of education and in my eyes schools only teach your child 50%, the rest falls to the parents and behaviourism, the kid will most likely come out to be like its parents because the parents will show a lack of education and a lack of control, it's a reoccurring chain of events that are hard to stop in a family.

Whilst I agree you should not bring a child into the world with no intention of trying to support it, but it will most likely get harder and harder for an average person to support a family, at least in this country and I think benefits will help, but entirely relying just sets a bad example for there kid, meaning that before the child is even born they are being bad parents.

There is a problem where schools, or at least my school, focused far too much on sex education and safe sex rather then the implications of sex and family life, what is involved in raising a child etc. It's the same with, for example, politics. Some people call for 16 year olds to have the vote but I only ever remember getting a vague idea of how the system in this country works in year 6, so how would an average school pupil be able to make a wise decision on their vote. Anyway that is different, but I am saying how there is a lack of education around the more family aspects of life. Though it now interests me. Many people say that they do not know what to do when they first become a parent. So why do schools teach how to put a condom on where there are clear instructions (and to be honest doesn't takea genious to figure out) and not how to take care of a child and other life skills? Sex ed should exist don't get me wrong, but they do not need to go into huge detail where most things turn to common sense.

Anyway back to this, no they shouldn't be born.

[Accipiter]

Let's remove the real meaning of R.E and make it "Reality Education" because some people in this world fail to take a step back and look at the big picture, where as studying the real meaning of R.E which teaches us to stand close and believe in hope rather than believing in ourselves.

I think what this world lacks is that people are far to busy living in fantasy land, too worried about all those Loreal women, or Rightguard men that they forget what they're actually living for and start becoming more focused on their own picture rather than the big picture once again.

The world is a mess, call me a hippy but it's in a state of utter madness.