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Is it me or is this thread slowly veering off-topic? We seem to be coming up with lots of a jokey ideas LOL :P

I too dont see the reason for a staff agm now since smods can do it all, if not all, they may aswell be allowed to now.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

That's why I described it as doing minimums, Myke is doing his job and doing it well, but the staff AGM always used to do more. Love him or hate him, Hecktix was heavily involved around the forum and the community as the staff AGM.

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It isn't Myke's fault, department management discussed and agreed to limit the staff AGM's role back when Danube was in the role so he's just following that. Putting it bluntly, I'm not certain the department management at the time appreciated Danube's heavy involvement or input so they limited his role as much as they could.

I have always disagreed with limiting the staff AGM's role. The Staff AGM was always considered the right hand man and his input into the community has always been positive. Take Garion for example, and even Oli despite him being hated by many, he put in a lot of dedication etc. It showed showed well on the AGM team that the whole team was active and putting 100% into Habbox and had a visible presence.

Furthermore, it used to be clear who has in charge of what, now God knows. The system was effective and efficient and it shouldn't have been removed in the first place, despite pressure.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Also, I did say a while back, that the cause for most of these issues was having seperate departments essentially competing over the same thing. Clearly, merging is out of the question, but getting teams to work together more would help a lot.

I said a while back that Events/HxL need to work together more, and News/Content/Graphics do as well. I'm not sure what happened to the 'Guides' staff, but as people saw from the massive thread that was created on it, News and Content wanted it for themselves and didn't fancy working together (Even though content is pretty much a subset of News right now?).


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If I was in charge, I would restructure everything, something like this:

Client Department (Events/HxL/HxHD)
Forum Department (Comps/Moderation/Debates)
Site Department (News/Content/Graphics/Guides/Rare Values)

It would make there be less managers, more staff would work with other staff. There would be no quotas, and no limits either. So if somebody wants to do X competitions a week, let them. Let it be a lot more fluid. Don't need quotas, simply give warnings to people that aren't putting in enough effort. Some people are bound to do more than others. And this doesn't mean, 'All events staff have to become DJs, all Graphics staff have to do Rare Values', but staff can easily do work for similiar departments then need be, rather than 4/5/6+ managers having to keep an eye on the same staff member.

Three managers, each with an assistant, so only 6 management positions. All report to the Community Manager, who reports to the General Manager. So essentially just 8 management positions, plus Jin and Sierk.

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Centralisation like that is a terrible idea, and only results in departments badly run. The truth is, those in rare values know best how to run the rare values on the site just as those in events know best how to run events - senior management in my experience in management has only served to impede and obstruct departments. One example is in the way 8Freak8 (General Manager at the time) attempted to meddle in what should have been a fairly simple process in moving the ione's Gifts into super rares where they belonged and which the department (and public) backed by a big margin - because of his meddling in the issue, he decided to put it to a public vote rather than just move them as I suggested and which resulted in the Samovar Crisis and the department blown apart.

The opposite needs to be done (and has in recent years) - departments should be as independent as possible rather than having people who have no experience in those said departments meddling in things they do not understand.

Who is better at running rare values on the site I ask? Samanfa or (and no offence intended) xxMATTGxxx, Chris or Inseriousity? ...just the same as you wouldn't put me incharge of the events department becasue I haven't a clue about it nor an active interest.

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

It isn't Myke's fault, department management discussed and agreed to limit the staff AGM's role back when Danube was in the role so he's just following that. Putting it bluntly, I'm not certain the department management at the time appreciated Danube's heavy involvement or input so they limited his role as much as they could.

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Exactly, a passive and easy going senior management is best rather than having an overbearing and meddlesome senior management that keeps trying to interfere with departments of which it has little or no experience/interest in or of.

Too passive, however, and department managers do not push themselves. It's so much easier to a comfort zone rather than push yourself. The general principle though I can agree with.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Exactly, a passive and easy going senior management is best rather than having an overbearing and meddlesome senior management that keeps trying to interfere with departments of which it has little or no experience/interest in or of.

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Senior management already ARE passive, zero feedback, zero interference. Department managers therefore have zero accountability. At least on the content side.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Centralisation like that is a terrible idea, and only results in departments badly run. The truth is, those in rare values know best how to run the rare values on the site just as those in events know best how to run events - senior management in my experience in management has only served to impede and obstruct departments. One example is in the way 8Freak8 (General Manager at the time) attempted to meddle in what should have been a fairly simple process in moving the ione's Gifts into super rares where they belonged and which the department (and public) backed by a big margin - because of his meddling in the issue, he decided to put it to a public vote rather than just move them as I suggested and which resulted in the Samovar Crisis and the department blown apart.

The opposite needs to be done (and has in recent years) - departments should be as independent as possible rather than having people who have no experience in those said departments meddling in things they do not understand.

Who is better at running rare values on the site I ask? Samanfa or (and no offence intended) xxMATTGxxx, Chris or Inseriousity? ...just the same as you wouldn't put me incharge of the events department becasue I haven't a clue about it nor an active interest.



Exactly, a passive and easy going senior management is best rather than having an overbearing and meddlesome senior management that keeps trying to interfere with departments of which it has little or no experience/interest in or of.

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Fair enough :) I just think that the central issue with staff is this lack of interaction, so by having staff departments even more seperated, you're limiting the chances to solve this.

And do you think content should split apart in that case? You could easily have a Habbox Content department (well, when V7 comes along I guess) and a Wiki Content Department, are they not different types of writing?

Needs to be a mix of both ideals - department managers being left to manage their own areas of expertise, but their seniors (AGMs) being tough on those managers to make sure that they are in turn being tough enough on their staff to make things happen. Of course, if the department managers are doing their job properly then it'll mean the AGMs won't need to get involved and can get on with whatever else they're needing to do - and if not then get rid of them, there are plenty of people around still who can work a management position

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Originally Posted by Kardan

And do you think content should split apart in that case? You could easily have a Habbox Content department (well, when V7 comes along I guess) and a Wiki Content Department, are they not different types of writing?

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They are very different styles of writing and when I was content manager a lot of people left because they didn't want to do wiki stuff. Before I was content manager Zuth said he repeatedly asked to split them apart and now recently when I hear that Guides is now its own department I pleaded with Matt to move it to its own department. Still nothing.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

They are very different styles of writing and when I was content manager a lot of people left because they didn't want to do wiki stuff. Before I was content manager Zuth said he repeatedly asked to split them apart and now recently when I hear that Guides is now its own department I pleaded with Matt to move it to its own department. Still nothing.

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I can't see how Guides can be it's own department away from Content if Wiki isn't.

Guides is definitely the same as normal site content, wiki isn't.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

They are very different styles of writing and when I was content manager a lot of people left because they didn't want to do wiki stuff. Before I was content manager Zuth said he repeatedly asked to split them apart and now recently when I hear that Guides is now its own department I pleaded with Matt to move it to its own department. Still nothing.

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Hold on a minute. I said in the end that we should open up applications aimed specifically at the different content, so .com content and Wiki content and compare applications if it mentioned that they didn't have to do any other types of content work. Then we can determine about splitting it up.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I can't see how Guides can be it's own department away from Content if Wiki isn't.

Guides is definitely the same as normal site content, wiki isn't.

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Wanted to attract people who know Habbo and still play it on a daily basis and are willing to create the guides. Putting it together would probably put them off if they had to do other content work.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Hold on a minute. I said in the end that we should open up applications aimed specifically at the different content, so .com content and Wiki content and compare applications if it mentioned that they didn't have to do any other types of content work. Then we can determine about splitting it up.




Wanted to attract people who know Habbo and still play it on a daily basis and are willing to create the guides. Putting it together would probably put them off if they had to do other content work.

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So does not putting wiki work with content put people off joining content?

Although I imagine content work on just Habbox.com is limited with V6 :P

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Originally Posted by Kardan

So does not putting wiki work with content put people off joining content?

Although I imagine content work on just Habbox.com is limited with V6 :P

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It does. Which is why Tom did this: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781109 to see if it would bring any interest for Habbox.com content to see if anyone would apply and didn't have to do any Wiki work. At the moment that's got 0 applications. So it could be a number of other reasons why it has 0 applications. Here are a few examples:

A) They like Wiki more. B) Management Reasons C) Not a lot of people like the content work etc etc etc.

The reason why I didn't decide to spilt the department straight away when Will mentioned it the other day was because I don't want the mess of what occurred with News/Content again. So first look into the problems and see other solutions before splitting them for good.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

It does. Which is why Tom did this: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=781109 to see if it would bring any intrest for Habbox.com content to see if anyone would apply and didn't have to do any Wiki work. At the moment that's got 0 applications. So it could be a number of other reasons why it has 0 applications. Here are a few examples:

A) They like Wiki more. B) Management Reasons C) Not a lot of people like the content work etc etc etc.

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Ahh, good to see that.

I wouldn't say people like the wiki more, I'd just say that people are less likely to apply for the content department. It's a lot of hard work, and generally, I'd say that the content department probably has the highest average age of all departments? (Unless management counts :P)

And trying to hire older staff is quite a toughy :P

I have no complaints on this front then, if applications are open, you can't say you didn't try :)

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Ahh, good to see that.

I wouldn't say people like the wiki more, I'd just say that people are less likely to apply for the content department. It's a lot of hard work, and generally, I'd say that the content department probably has the highest average age of all departments? (Unless management counts :P)

And trying to hire older staff is quite a toughy :P

I have no complaints on this front then, if applications are open, you can't say you didn't try :)

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That is very true, it can be hard work and take up a lot of time as well. Especially if it's a long piece of content as well. We'll see how it goes either way.

Guides justifies having it owns forum because we have a tasks section and being mixed in with content just confuses everything. Guides section is cleaner and easier to see what needs to be done.

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Originally Posted by e5

Guides justifies having it owns forum because we have a tasks section and being mixed in with content just confuses everything. Guides section is cleaner and easier to see what needs to be done.

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********, before the content merge the Wiki stuff had its own tasks section as a subforum.

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Originally Posted by e5

Guides justifies having it owns forum because we have a tasks section and being mixed in with content just confuses everything. Guides section is cleaner and easier to see what needs to be done.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

********, before the content merge the Wiki stuff had its own tasks section as a subforum.

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Not one of the best reasons I've seen but fair enough. It got the correct people hired into the department but hey ho.

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Originally Posted by e5

Guides justifies having it owns forum because we have a tasks section and being mixed in with content just confuses everything. Guides section is cleaner and easier to see what needs to be done.

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What I never understand with Habbox Staff is why they can't seem to be able to read thread titles?

If you have a thread title saying 'Badge UK025', I'm pretty sure that's a clear indication that it's a thread for guides staff. Not that it matters about staff sub-forums or anything, just that seems like a pretty lame excuse why the sections are separated. The reason that people want to do guides and not do wiki is good enough for me.

Yeah and im not saying that the wiki should have been merged either.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

********, before the content merge the Wiki stuff had its own tasks section as a subforum.

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I'm not saying I don't want to do the Wiki, if doing the Wiki was part of being guides staff, i'd do it... I'm not fussy. If we got merged, I wouldn't complain either. I'm just saying that it's slightly easier having it's own forum and I don't see what issues it causes people, you can't see it? Like I said, it's just easier having a separate forum, but I have no doubt it will be merged at some point since all everyone does it moan about it

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Originally Posted by Kardan

What I never understand with Habbox Staff is why they can't seem to be able to read thread titles?

If you have a thread title saying 'Badge UK025', I'm pretty sure that's a clear indication that it's a thread for guides staff. Not that it matters about staff sub-forums or anything, just that seems like a pretty lame excuse why the sections are separated. The reason that people want to do guides and not do wiki is good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by e5

I'm not saying I don't want to do the Wiki, if doing the Wiki was part of being guides staff, i'd do it

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In many ways it should be. Part of the purpose of the wiki is archiving and it would be good to keep these guides somewhere organised for future reference.

Yep. Think guides/wiki/content should all be seperate, but I still am not gonna complain if they're not, because there's no point. I agree with your point on the Wiki.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

In many ways it should be. Part of the purpose of the wiki is archiving and it would be good to keep these guides somewhere organised for future reference.

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Originally Posted by e5

Yeah and im not saying that the wiki should have been merged either.


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I'm not saying I don't want to do the Wiki, if doing the Wiki was part of being guides staff, i'd do it... I'm not fussy. If we got merged, I wouldn't complain either. I'm just saying that it's slightly easier having it's own forum and I don't see what issues it causes people, you can't see it? Like I said, it's just easier having a separate forum, but I have no doubt it will be merged at some point since all everyone does it moan about it

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

In many ways it should be. Part of the purpose of the wiki is archiving and it would be good to keep these guides somewhere organised for future reference.

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Problem is, you might be okay with doing it. But what about the rest? That's what happened during the News merge and also with the current Content department. Some are okay with it but then quite a lot of them weren't as well. I think if there was ever a *Dedicated* Wiki team then they should make sure about the Guides on Wiki for archive purposes if needed.

Although technically all three are managed by the same person. Do you want different managers? :P

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Problem is, you might be okay with doing it. But what about the rest? That's what happened during the News merge and also with the current Content department. Some are okay with it but then quite a lot of them weren't as well. I think if there was ever a *Dedicated* Wiki team then they should make sure about the Guides on Wiki for archive purposes if needed.

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tbh its really not difficult to copy the posting you make on habbox.com to the wiki. Pretty certain I could set it up on V7 so that its automated.

Thats the exact problem, you can never please everyone Matt :P But that's life, noone gets everything their way and if management anywhere say this is what is happening, then staff have to put up for it, if they want the job. Yes i understand it's not a paid job like irl and noones pressured to do it 'cos they need the money (:L) but up to a point, what management says goes. can't please everyone :P

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Problem is, you might be okay with doing it. But what about the rest? That's what happened during the News merge and also with the current Content department. Some are okay with it but then quite a lot of them weren't as well. I think if there was ever a *Dedicated* Wiki team then they should make sure about the Guides on Wiki for archive purposes if needed.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

tbh its really not difficult to copy the posting you make on habbox.com to the wiki. Pretty certain I could set it up on V7 so that its automated.

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Then you have the argument of they didn't sign up to do Wiki. Sure make it easier by automation but unfortunately we don't have V7 at this moment as you know :P

Thats the exact problem, you can never please everyone Matt :P But that's life, noone gets everything their way and if management anywhere say this is what is happening, then staff have to put up for it, if they want the job. Yes i understand it's not a paid job like irl and noones pressured to do it 'cos they need the money (:L) but up to a point, what management says goes. can't please everyone :P

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Problem is, you might be okay with doing it. But what about the rest? That's what happened during the News merge and also with the current Content department. Some are okay with it but then quite a lot of them weren't as well. I think if there was ever a *Dedicated* Wiki team then they should make sure about the Guides on Wiki for archive purposes if needed.

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Originally Posted by e5

Thats the exact problem, you can never please everyone Matt :P But that's life, noone gets everything their way and if management anywhere say this is what is happening, then staff have to put up for it, if they want the job. Yes i understand it's not a paid job like irl and noones pressured to do it 'cos they need the money (:L) but up to a point, what management says goes. can't please everyone :P

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Until the manager of that department has second thoughts and don't really likes the idea ;)

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Originally Posted by e5

what management says goes. can't please everyone :P

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And indeed that's what (Somehow successfully) happened with the content department frequently switching between everyone doing Haabbox.com content to everyone doing wiki content.

I was implying your decision, not department managers, because there needs to be an overall decision made!

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Until the manager of that department has second thoughts and don't really likes the idea ;)

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I think the whole point of the guides was that they're supposed to be short and snappy whereas working on the wiki/content pages requires more polish. We needed Habbo addicts, people who are on the ball with new updates and getting the answers before everyone else. That was the purpose of the guides staff and we did not want those same addicts put off from writing those short articles because on top of that, they'd have to write longer pieces.

I'm a bit confused by your request to have wiki and .com seperate. Forums and titles are all official titles designed for structure and identification but they are not the be all and end all if a department manager feels the need to seperate the two unofficially.

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

I think the whole point of the guides was that they're supposed to be short and snappy whereas working on the wiki/content pages requires more polish. We needed Habbo addicts, people who are on the ball with new updates and getting the answers before everyone else. That was the purpose of the guides staff and we did not want those same addicts put off from writing those short articles because on top of that, they'd have to write longer pieces.

I'm a bit confused by your request to have wiki and .com seperate. Forums and titles are all official titles designed for structure and identification but they are not the be all and end all if a department manager feels the need to seperate the two unofficially.

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Oh great I'm an addict now cos I beat habbo secrets to a guide LOL. I don't find myself on enough or find myself wanting to make time to do longer work, which is why guides was good for me cos I enjoy writing and loved news but found myself resigning all the time as I didn't feel I could be dedicated enough, even as much as I like to write!

Wear it with pride, addict and proud (could write a guide how to get it if you want ;)) :D

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

Wear it with pride, addict and proud (could write a guide how to get it if you want ;)) :D

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I would if you could get a badge from it :'(

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Originally Posted by Kardan

It probably does, based on that green/red arrow. That's good :) Tried looking for a few pages now that include the date and can't find any, so there's only a few :P Wrong for me to assume that it applied to all pages :)

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I know this was a few days ago, but I just found the Typewriter page had the automatically updated value at the end of the paragraph and a written value at the beginning which was outdated (I've removed it now). But also, on the Dragon Egg page the 'decreasing' part is written in plain text and hasn't changed to 'increasing' - is there any code you can write to actually do that automatically? If not then it should probably be removed :P.

Also, on this page: http://habboxwiki.com/Portal:Furni
all the links at the bottom take me to a list of furni ranges rather than the one you've clicked on?

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Originally Posted by Mr-Trainor

Also, on this page: http://habboxwiki.com/Portal:Furni
all the links at the bottom take me to a list of furni ranges rather than the one you've clicked on?

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Someone didn't do the links properly, I'll fix that now.

I've only read the first two pages out the twenty, but anyway...

I agree about the events. All they do is say the rules and then there's fifteen minutes of silence until that game starts and repeat. Rarely do I even see them advertise Habbox other than wired messages or room descriptions. I also half agree about Wiki, half don't agree. I've seen few, but only very few, badly written Wiki Articles. I don't have any reason to use the HxWiki anyway.

News. I didn't even know that still existed until last week (maybe a few weeks ago) when I accidently stumbled across @Intersocial;'s news report. I think that news should be advertised more, given a link to it on HxF etc.

Moderators. Most moderators are good, but some really need to learn the rules themselves and do things a bit more faster and correctly.

Rare Values. I use the marketplace, but I've seen that they are now using decimals for things such as VIP (now HC) Sofas. This is good. But from when I used to work in the rare values department, what most staff did was just copy what they saw in the MP @Inkwell;). In my own opinion this doesn't really get much done :P

I don't know about graphics, content etc, except that they better get V7 done ASAP!!!

I must applaud the events team for their new events lately!

Instead of the usual Bingo, or Team Bingo, we now have Teams of 3 Bingo! Genius!

Events are getting better at advertising, but I can't say the events are becoming anymore original :L

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I must applaud the events team for their new events lately!

Instead of the usual Bingo, or Team Bingo, we now have Teams of 3 Bingo! Genius!

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Post of the year ^^^

This really is the issue, Habbo event ideas are absolutely ****.