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[e5]

Is it me or is this thread slowly veering off-topic? We seem to be coming up with lots of a jokey ideas LOL

I too dont see the reason for a staff agm now since smods can do it all, if not all, they may aswell be allowed to now.

[Inseriousity.]

That's why I described it as doing minimums, Myke is doing his job and doing it well, but the staff AGM always used to do more. Love him or hate him, Hecktix was heavily involved around the forum and the community as the staff AGM.

It isn't Myke's fault, department management discussed and agreed to limit the staff AGM's role back when Danube was in the role so he's just following that. Putting it bluntly, I'm not certain the department management at the time appreciated Danube's heavy involvement or input so they limited his role as much as they could.

[Grig]

I have always disagreed with limiting the staff AGM's role. The Staff AGM was always considered the right hand man and his input into the community has always been positive. Take Garion for example, and even Oli despite him being hated by many, he put in a lot of dedication etc. It showed showed well on the AGM team that the whole team was active and putting 100% into Habbox and had a visible presence.

Furthermore, it used to be clear who has in charge of what, now God knows. The system was effective and efficient and it shouldn't have been removed in the first place, despite pressure.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Also, I did say a while back, that the cause for most of these issues was having seperate departments essentially competing over the same thing. Clearly, merging is out of the question, but getting teams to work together more would help a lot.

I said a while back that Events/HxL need to work together more, and News/Content/Graphics do as well. I'm not sure what happened to the 'Guides' staff, but as people saw from the massive thread that was created on it, News and Content wanted it for themselves and didn't fancy working together (Even though content is pretty much a subset of News right now?).


[Inb4 people tell me 'WELL ITZ A GOOD FING U R NOT IN CHARGE!!11SHIFT]


If I was in charge, I would restructure everything, something like this:

Client Department (Events/HxL/HxHD)
Forum Department (Comps/Moderation/Debates)
Site Department (News/Content/Graphics/Guides/Rare Values)

It would make there be less managers, more staff would work with other staff. There would be no quotas, and no limits either. So if somebody wants to do X competitions a week, let them. Let it be a lot more fluid. Don't need quotas, simply give warnings to people that aren't putting in enough effort. Some people are bound to do more than others. And this doesn't mean, 'All events staff have to become DJs, all Graphics staff have to do Rare Values', but staff can easily do work for similiar departments then need be, rather than 4/5/6+ managers having to keep an eye on the same staff member.

Three managers, each with an assistant, so only 6 management positions. All report to the Community Manager, who reports to the General Manager. So essentially just 8 management positions, plus Jin and Sierk.

Centralisation like that is a terrible idea, and only results in departments badly run. The truth is, those in rare values know best how to run the rare values on the site just as those in events know best how to run events - senior management in my experience in management has only served to impede and obstruct departments. One example is in the way 8Freak8 (General Manager at the time) attempted to meddle in what should have been a fairly simple process in moving the ione's Gifts into super rares where they belonged and which the department (and public) backed by a big margin - because of his meddling in the issue, he decided to put it to a public vote rather than just move them as I suggested and which resulted in the Samovar Crisis and the department blown apart.

The opposite needs to be done (and has in recent years) - departments should be as independent as possible rather than having people who have no experience in those said departments meddling in things they do not understand.

Who is better at running rare values on the site I ask? Samanfa or (and no offence intended) xxMATTGxxx, Chris or Inseriousity? ...just the same as you wouldn't put me incharge of the events department becasue I haven't a clue about it nor an active interest.

It isn't Myke's fault, department management discussed and agreed to limit the staff AGM's role back when Danube was in the role so he's just following that. Putting it bluntly, I'm not certain the department management at the time appreciated Danube's heavy involvement or input so they limited his role as much as they could.

Exactly, a passive and easy going senior management is best rather than having an overbearing and meddlesome senior management that keeps trying to interfere with departments of which it has little or no experience/interest in or of.

[Inseriousity.]

Too passive, however, and department managers do not push themselves. It's so much easier to a comfort zone rather than push yourself. The general principle though I can agree with.

[Chippiewill]

Exactly, a passive and easy going senior management is best rather than having an overbearing and meddlesome senior management that keeps trying to interfere with departments of which it has little or no experience/interest in or of.

Senior management already ARE passive, zero feedback, zero interference. Department managers therefore have zero accountability. At least on the content side.

[Kardan]

Centralisation like that is a terrible idea, and only results in departments badly run. The truth is, those in rare values know best how to run the rare values on the site just as those in events know best how to run events - senior management in my experience in management has only served to impede and obstruct departments. One example is in the way 8Freak8 (General Manager at the time) attempted to meddle in what should have been a fairly simple process in moving the ione's Gifts into super rares where they belonged and which the department (and public) backed by a big margin - because of his meddling in the issue, he decided to put it to a public vote rather than just move them as I suggested and which resulted in the Samovar Crisis and the department blown apart.

The opposite needs to be done (and has in recent years) - departments should be as independent as possible rather than having people who have no experience in those said departments meddling in things they do not understand.

Who is better at running rare values on the site I ask? Samanfa or (and no offence intended) xxMATTGxxx, Chris or Inseriousity? ...just the same as you wouldn't put me incharge of the events department becasue I haven't a clue about it nor an active interest.



Exactly, a passive and easy going senior management is best rather than having an overbearing and meddlesome senior management that keeps trying to interfere with departments of which it has little or no experience/interest in or of.

Fair enough I just think that the central issue with staff is this lack of interaction, so by having staff departments even more seperated, you're limiting the chances to solve this.

And do you think content should split apart in that case? You could easily have a Habbox Content department (well, when V7 comes along I guess) and a Wiki Content Department, are they not different types of writing?

[FlyingJesus]

Needs to be a mix of both ideals - department managers being left to manage their own areas of expertise, but their seniors (AGMs) being tough on those managers to make sure that they are in turn being tough enough on their staff to make things happen. Of course, if the department managers are doing their job properly then it'll mean the AGMs won't need to get involved and can get on with whatever else they're needing to do - and if not then get rid of them, there are plenty of people around still who can work a management position

[Chippiewill]

And do you think content should split apart in that case? You could easily have a Habbox Content department (well, when V7 comes along I guess) and a Wiki Content Department, are they not different types of writing?

They are very different styles of writing and when I was content manager a lot of people left because they didn't want to do wiki stuff. Before I was content manager Zuth said he repeatedly asked to split them apart and now recently when I hear that Guides is now its own department I pleaded with Matt to move it to its own department. Still nothing.

[Kardan]

They are very different styles of writing and when I was content manager a lot of people left because they didn't want to do wiki stuff. Before I was content manager Zuth said he repeatedly asked to split them apart and now recently when I hear that Guides is now its own department I pleaded with Matt to move it to its own department. Still nothing.

I can't see how Guides can be it's own department away from Content if Wiki isn't.

Guides is definitely the same as normal site content, wiki isn't.