Habboxlive new script

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Originally Posted by Nixt

The decision to make the information private was the decision of HxL Management and one they are perfectly entitled to make. Of course this information is publicly available but the resource David has created (and kudos to him for that) was designed for the use of Management so they could easily keep track of DJs. In the coming weeks or months, it is likely it will be incorporated into the development of V6 and further information that we might consider confidential could be added to it. This alone is one reason to take the information out of the public eye.

Right now though, the reasoning is that if such a resource was given to people so publicly it, in my opinion, undermines the management team at HabboxLive. The information you can get using the script come in the form of cold hard fact - it does not take into account personal and subjective information that management have access to, and given the nature of a lot of people at Habbox (and I don't think anyone can deny this!) it is likely to lead to people make observations that are later used to ridicule the department or a DJ without fully taking into account private information surrounding the department itself.

I guess part of this is our fault, we should never have publicly released the script and we should have discussed it with HxL Management before doing so.

Sorry if this doesn't make perfect sense, I'm extremely ill.

I wouldn't say it's your fault at all. I believe the controversiality here could have been avoided if I had considered that some of these statistics may have been better kept private in the first place!

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Originally Posted by nvrspk4

1) Very nice tool

2) Don't see why listeners need to be shown the leaderboard, graphs, or duplicate songs, as these (especially the last) will simply serve to make criticism all too easy. It'll make for the public trying to manage the staff through threads and undermining managers. Many people are saying that this COULD be gathered theoretically by users. Certainly, but have you seen anyone do it? Ever? It is a fantastic tool for management, I agree, but it will also make it simple for some people who complain overmuch or to hear themselves heard to whine. I'll concede that there are people who post legitimately trying to improve HxL, and maybe these will be some which use public avenues to log DJ time as it has been suggested can be done. If they do that, more power to them.

I'll admit that I was abit disheartened that it was passworded because I had spent time coding it so in that sense I do suppose I have a bias. Bah-- I've passworded it now anyway :P

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Originally Posted by nvrspk4

3) Can I make the suggestion that for "All songs" instead of just being a list since the beginning of time (which will eventually get enormously long, and does anyone really need to see what was played a week ago? :P) that duplicate entries are not reentered, just a list of every song that has ever been played on HabboxLive? There will still be some variation because of what different DJs name the songs but it'll cut down some.

Hmm, right now it's showing the last 300 songs played on HxL.

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Originally Posted by nvrspk4

4) Why on EARTH is the HxHD script public?? I understand its a decision made by HxHD management, and I can see its value to the managers, but why on earth public??

The weekly numbers show because I'm running the same staff leaderboard function to list off staff so you can get to their profile - although if need be I suppose I could add an extra parameter to hide those details. As for showing the total time in HxHD and whatnot I'm sort of on the fence about this. On one hand it's rather neat because it give staffmembers something to work toward and to track their overall, although on the other hand I suppose I didn't really consider that the public could see all this when I developed it! I'll speak to Shar, Garion and Matt about a gameplan here.

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Originally Posted by nvrspk4

PS: David, while I very much respect your right to express your opinion, I find it pretty difficult to believe that while you accuse staff of being biased because they were staff for a short time or because they were staff members etc, you hold no bias as the creator and manager who implemented it. You are entirely entitled to defend your opinions but declaring other opinions invalid due to perceived bias is a bit of a pot-kettle type situation.

I imagine I do have a bias being the creator of these stats tools, although I wouldn't necessarily say that bias extends towards affecting my opinion on internal issues within HxHD (atleast I hope it doesn't. If it does I trust that our Assistant Manager or General Management will point me in the right direction :P).

Apologies if my preceding posts seemed hostile in an accusing sense towards other staffmembers, I suppose I am just quite firm about what I think here!

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

I wouldn't say it's your fault at all. I believe the controversiality here could have been avoided if I had considered that some of these statistics may have been better kept private in the first place!

No, I completely disagree with you here.

It's not like you wrote a script that accessed the backdoor for the RBS banking site and allowed users to syphon off money.

I will liken the script to an example of one that BBC uses. When it's poll time to vote for our MPs, we get very specific numbers given to us on how well they have done, it's collected and presented by the BBC and nobody complains because it is useful. It's hardly different to this.

Plus, it's not your responsibility to start censoring your own work just be cause somebody may be offended by it.

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Originally Posted by JH

No, I completely disagree with you here.

It's not like you wrote a script that accessed the backdoor for the RBS banking site and allowed users to syphon off money.

I will liken the script to an example of one that BBC uses. When it's poll time to vote for our MPs, we get very specific numbers given to us on how well they have done, it's collected and presented by the BBC and nobody complains because it is useful. It's hardly different to this.

Plus, it's not your responsibility to start censoring your own work just be cause somebody may be offended by it.

He censored his work because it was requested as such by HabboxLive Management. It will remain so, because allowing just anyone to see the stats leaves the department open to ridicule and criticism without taking into account the intricacies of the department itself. See both my own and nvrspk4's posts for information relating to that.

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