My ideas :)

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Originally Posted by immense

I think if these ideas had been poorly written then it wouldn't have the same effect. Although, my sentence structure does get very lazy in certain paragraphs. However, I think you address another problem. There is a way of getting what you want / getting heard. I know it because I have been here far too long. New members don't. Is there anything that can be done to give their voice/views a bit of an amplification.

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I agree, I sort of overlooked your well-written arguments as a given, but expressing yourself well is a key component. There is a stuck thread from a while ago that I made on how to give effective feedback and there are other posts that have been made, perhaps they can be edited and new Feedback users can be referred to those threads when making new posts.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Even if it were popular you could still merge the two together. Habbox is a single entity, so HxL, HxF and Hx need to support each other as they're run by the same people and all interact and carry the Habbox banner. So a special webpage on Hx for HxL like you get with many companies e.g. BBC have their Radio page look different to the rest of th website, but keep it on the same website so all Habbox content is kept in the same place. It might stop people complaining that Habbox and HabboxLive are out doing each other, when there should no competition. It's like the English Football team battling themselves to win a World Cup :P Obviously the same cannot be done with the forum as there is a limit to what you can edit, unless you have HabboxForum open up in a section of the Habbox website (www.habbox.com/forum) with the banner cut out to avoid an overload of images, and keep the habboxforum.com domain so people can see it as a single website like we do now, so you get two ways to view the forum with one making the Habbox/HxL content viewable to people just browsing the forum and as we see it now, banner and warts and all :P

I think that makes sense at least, would make Habbox.com unique seeing as ClubHabbo have a seperate website and forum, while Habbox gives that option AND a quicker way to view the forum in whatever website designers call the tables that open up other websites to view.

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The reason that HabboxLive started separately was because it was owned separately at first, this created a sort of culture and made Habbox unique in terms of having its own website. I don't think there was ever a huge issue of HabboxLive outweighing the site, the forum outweighing the site has been the issue for a while (as was pointed out in this thread.) When HabboxLive was massive, all the features being on their own section and own ShoutCast did make sense, now that HabboxLive has folded from the third major component of the "Habbox empire" if you will, and is now instead a very strong feature of another component, it may make sense to put it on the site.

I think a big mistake in the merge, however, was trying to basically re-create the HabboxLive website as a subsection of the Habbox site. If you're going to merge it in, adapt the HabboxLive content to go along with the layout of the rest of the site.

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Originally Posted by nvrspk4

I agree, I sort of overlooked your well-written arguments as a given, but expressing yourself well is a key component. There is a stuck thread from a while ago that I made on how to give effective feedback and there are other posts that have been made, perhaps they can be edited and new Feedback users can be referred to those threads when making new posts.



The reason that HabboxLive started separately was because it was owned separately at first, this created a sort of culture and made Habbox unique in terms of having its own website. I don't think there was ever a huge issue of HabboxLive outweighing the site, the forum outweighing the site has been the issue for a while (as was pointed out in this thread.) When HabboxLive was massive, all the features being on their own section and own ShoutCast did make sense, now that HabboxLive has folded from the third major component of the "Habbox empire" if you will, and is now instead a very strong feature of another component, it may make sense to put it on the site.

I think a big mistake in the merge, however, was trying to basically re-create the HabboxLive website as a subsection of the Habbox site. If you're going to merge it in, adapt the HabboxLive content to go along with the layout of the rest of the site.

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Ah I remember when the radio first appeared as HabboxRadio :P Obviously it was going to be seperate, the same as HabboxForum being entirely seperate because jrh2002 personally owned it (and maybe the radio too, if I remember correctly?)

The content could easily merge in with it, you cannot make it just-another-page like the Habbox Rare Watch, it has to have it's own sub-section filled with information revolving around the radio (again, much like BBC Radio on the BBC Website :P). It seems to make sense, but it depends on what other people think. Obviously this is just my idea of merging them, others may have different ideas on how to merge them :/

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Ah I remember when the radio first appeared as HabboxRadio :P Obviously it was going to be seperate, the same as HabboxForum being entirely seperate because jrh2002 personally owned it (and maybe the radio too, if I remember correctly?)

The content could easily merge in with it, you cannot make it just-another-page like the Habbox Rare Watch, it has to have it's own sub-section filled with information revolving around the radio (again, much like BBC Radio on the BBC Website :P). It seems to make sense, but it depends on what other people think. Obviously this is just my idea of merging them, others may have different ideas on how to merge them :/

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What I was referring to was how the HabboxLive site had a different layout and when MAD merged the two sites, he basically recreated the HxL layout as a sub-page of the Habbox site, which ended up looking bad. Certainly the content revolves around HxL, I'm just saying that the design and layout should look the same as well.

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Originally Posted by nvrspk4

I agree, I sort of overlooked your well-written arguments as a given, but expressing yourself well is a key component. There is a stuck thread from a while ago that I made on how to give effective feedback and there are other posts that have been made, perhaps they can be edited and new Feedback users can be referred to those threads when making new posts.

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Then again new users generally won't have that much feedback because they won't have used Habbox for long. Although, they obviously shouldn't be neglected :P One idea is maybe picking people in the community to be mentors and every new member is giving one. Habbo had the guide scheme where if you were new you could call on a Habbo to help. Perhaps in the welcome message all new members should be allocated a member to help them. Or maybe these mentors could be chosen and it could be their job to PM every new member in an informal tone saying they're there if they ever need help. Perhaps that's a bit over the top.

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Originally Posted by immense

Then again new users generally won't have that much feedback because they won't have used Habbox for long. Although, they obviously shouldn't be neglected :P One idea is maybe picking people in the community to be mentors and every new member is giving one. Habbo had the guide scheme where if you were new you could call on a Habbo to help. Perhaps in the welcome message all new members should be allocated a member to help them. Or maybe these mentors could be chosen and it could be their job to PM every new member in an informal tone saying they're there if they ever need help. Perhaps that's a bit over the top.

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The mentor idea was the idea behind the welcome committee - it's a shame it wasn't worked on a bit more after my departure as it started off quite well

Yeah but you can get a list of all the members that signed up in that day. I know they get the welcome PM but then maybe if older members sent them a PM too saying they're going to be about if they need help might be a nice touch.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

The mentor idea was the idea behind the welcome committee - it's a shame it wasn't worked on a bit more after my departure as it started off quite well

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Not completely sure on the idea but I think he means ONE person guides and helps another person specifically. Instead of the robotic and same replies that occured in the Welcome Committee. Not sure though. Could be completely wrong!

Edit: amg jake. i call for new post notifications. :(

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Originally Posted by Wiizzz

Not completely sure on the idea but I think he means ONE person guides and helps another person specifically. Instead of the robotic and same replies that occured in the Welcome Committee. Not sure though. Could be completely wrong!

Edit: amg jake. i call for new post notifications. :(

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The Welcome Committee was never meant to be robotic and it wasn't at first, as I said - it wasn't worked on enough after I left.

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Originally Posted by immense

Then again new users generally won't have that much feedback because they won't have used Habbox for long. Although, they obviously shouldn't be neglected :P One idea is maybe picking people in the community to be mentors and every new member is giving one. Habbo had the guide scheme where if you were new you could call on a Habbo to help. Perhaps in the welcome message all new members should be allocated a member to help them. Or maybe these mentors could be chosen and it could be their job to PM every new member in an informal tone saying they're there if they ever need help. Perhaps that's a bit over the top.

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Well, I mean new users to feedback. Every now and then a forum user will stumble into feedback, completely botch the post and get ripped up by the users who think that the new poster is stupid, whereas in reality they're just not aware how to make feedback constructively. In that sense this is another one of those cliquey forums...it's unfortunate. The difference is that there are more people in Feedback who are willing to explain to the people who aren't used to the Feedback forums, whereas other forums often prefer to keep it to the current clique.