PS4 or XBOX ONE

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Right. I suppose you could cover the kinect, but that wouldn't stop it's microphones :P

Another thing I don't get, why do people say they only want a gaming system for gaming?

First of all, I'm pretty sure the PS4 is offering more than just pure gaming.

Secondly, who says they only want something for just one thing.

NO, I ONLY WANT MY TV SO I CAN WATCH TV, I DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE DVDS ON IT, OR BROWSE THE LATEST FILMS FOR RENTAL. DAMN YOU TV WITH BUILT IN DIGITAL TV AND DISC DRIVE THING AND 3D HD IRLNESS.

I just don't get why people don't like new techonology? If you don't like certain parts, just don't use it :P

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The point is, when something is being revealed you should be talking about its main primary feature. Its meant to be a Games console. so talk about the the games, the new features for gamers. Like Sony did. This is what Microsoft did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

We all know Sony will have other features on it and we will find that out down the line anything that is on the Ps3 for example i know will be on Ps4. Heres the first sort of trailer for Ps4 notice something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O8LBndYkuV4

Its all Game related.

They mentioned they would be having partners at the reveal and spent 5mins at e3 talking about music and movies. But the majority want a games console for a games console and thats what the majority want at the moment.

Edit: as awful as the trailer is. Dude i don't got that man

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Originally Posted by Southe,

The point is, when something is being revealed you should be talking about its main primary feature. Its meant to be a Games console. so talk about the the games, the new features for gamers. Like Sony did. This is what Microsoft did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

We all know Sony will have other features on it and we will find that out down the line anything that is on the Ps3 for example i know will be on Ps4. Heres the first sort of trailer for Ps4 notice something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O8LBndYkuV4

Its all Game related.

They mentioned they would be having partners at the reveal and spent 5mins at e3 talking about music and movies. But the majority want a games console for a games console and thats what the majority want at the moment.

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Did anyone even bother to count the amount of times they said game(s)?

Maybe the PS4 is all about and, or the if we're basing it on word counts :P

I seriously just think people aren't being old fashioned, and they're just giving Microsoft stick for the sake of it.

'NO, I DON'T WANT MY MOBILE PHONE TO PLAY APPS OR SEND TEXTS OR BROWSE THE INTERNET. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A PHONE CALL'

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Right. I suppose you could cover the kinect, but that wouldn't stop it's microphones :P

Another thing I don't get, why do people say they only want a gaming system for gaming?

First of all, I'm pretty sure the PS4 is offering more than just pure gaming.

Secondly, who says they only want something for just one thing.

NO, I ONLY WANT MY TV SO I CAN WATCH TV, I DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE DVDS ON IT, OR BROWSE THE LATEST FILMS FOR RENTAL. DAMN YOU TV WITH BUILT IN DIGITAL TV AND DISC DRIVE THING AND 3D HD IRLNESS.

I just don't get why people don't like new techonology? If you don't like certain parts, just don't use it :P

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I don't think you can cover it as it detects how many people are playing (iirc).

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

I don't think you can cover it as it detects how many people are playing (iirc).

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Wouldn't that only be needed if you were playing a game with more than one person? Example: Spilt screen. Apparently you can turn it off anyway.

I just straight up don't want Kinect, simple as.

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Originally Posted by Adam

I just straight up don't want Kinect, simple as.

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Is that because of the privacy issues that are surrounding it? Or what? You don't like switching between menus with your voice? :P

I can totally understand why it being mandatory can turn people off, other than the price though, I think that's the only bad thing about the XB1...

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Did anyone even bother to count the amount of times they said game(s)?

Maybe the PS4 is all about and, or the if we're basing it on word counts :P

I seriously just think people aren't being old fashioned, and they're just giving Microsoft stick for the sake of it.

'NO, I DON'T WANT MY MOBILE PHONE TO PLAY APPS OR SEND TEXTS OR BROWSE THE INTERNET. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A PHONE CALL'

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Can't really compare phone and xbox. adding stuff like the camera and clock, calculator and text messaging is all good. A box that lets you watch tv on it via another box isn't.

Ps3>Ps4 for example
- Cross Chat
- Download games via your phone
- remote play if you have a vita
- save clips of gameplay
- stream a playthrough
- Making people sign up for Ps+ for online which itself is a fantastic deal
- Play download games as they download
- system will take note of what you like and download games for you so if you decide to buy the game the download and install will be alot quicker
etc etc etc

All features being added that are beneficial to a Games Console.

Ps4 doesn't come with a camera and has slightly better tech than the One and is cheaper. I have seen a lot of people moan about that online. If kinect wasn't included they could have matched sonys price

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Originally Posted by Southe,

Can't really compare phone and xbox. adding stuff like the camera and clock, calculator and text messaging is all good. A box that lets you watch tv on it via another box isn't.

Ps3>Ps4 for example
- Cross Chat
- Download games via your phone
- remote play if you have a vita
- save clips of gameplay
- stream a playthrough
- Making people sign up for Ps+ for online which itself is a fantastic deal
- Play download games as they download
- system will take note of what you like and download games for you so if you decide to buy the game the download and install will be alot quicker
etc etc etc

All features being added that are beneficial to a Games Console.

Ps4 doesn't come with a camera and has slightly better tech than the One and is cheaper. I have seen a lot of people moan about that online. If kinect wasn't included they could have matched sonys price

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Wait, so everything that the XB1 brings new is absolutely crap, and everything the PS4 brings isn't? :P

And, you're saying something that lets you watch TV via another box is crap.

So surely Xbox/PlayStation should get rid of their DVD/Blu-Ray functionality right, since we have players for that?

And phones should get rid of calculators and clocks, because we have those already, right?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Is that because of the privacy issues that are surrounding it? Or what? You don't like switching between menus with your voice? :P

I can totally understand why it being mandatory can turn people off, other than the price though, I think that's the only bad thing about the XB1...

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It's because I don't want it, nothing to do with privacy issues. If I had a problem with privacy I wouldn't use the internet where all of my information is available freely to everybody. I don't want it because the original Kinect was a terrible, overpriced gimmick that added nothing to the gaming experience (for me, anyway) and Kinect 2 will be no different. "oh but it's new and improved" yeah that's what they tell you because at the end of the day they're not going to undersell ****?

Remember that Kinect video a few years back with the Fable kid? That'll never happen because Microsoft have *********** about the potential of Kinect since day one.

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Originally Posted by Adam

It's because I don't want it, nothing to do with privacy issues. If I had a problem with privacy I wouldn't use the internet where all of my information is available freely to everybody. I don't want it because the original Kinect was a terrible, overpriced gimmick that added nothing to the gaming experience (for me, anyway) and Kinect 2 will be no different. "oh but it's new and improved" yeah that's what they tell you because at the end of the day they're not going to undersell ****?

Remember that Kinect video a few years back with the Fable kid? That'll never happen because Microsoft have *********** about the potential of Kinect since day one.

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Fair enough :)

I love the idea of having one box for my games, tv and everything. But the Xbox isn't that. You still need a Sky box for example. On a smartphone, if I was told "HEY this is also now your laptop" (but you need to buy the bigger screen and keyboard dock for that to be the case), I would laugh at it.

I am certainly not saying the PS4 is this, but at £70 cheaper for what will essentially give me the same gaming experience I would say it is a good choice. Having said that, when I buy one or the other in late 2014, I will simply buy whatever the majority of my friends have...

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Wait, so everything that the XB1 brings new is absolutely crap, and everything the PS4 brings isn't? :P
Not at all. They already had cross chat, the whole sharing clips xbox is doing aswell, im sure they will have some phone > Xbox stuff. Just the main thing there are trying to push is tv and its not as awesome as they make it sound. it does nothing for gaming and i don't like it. Just like the kinect when it came out. It was mostly gimicky party games that came out nothing that was promised when it was first revealed.

And, you're saying something that lets you watch TV via another box is crap.
Yes

So surely Xbox/PlayStation should get rid of their DVD/Blu-Ray functionality right, since we have players for that?
Sure you've used this example already. The Ps3/4 uses a Blu ray drive to read games why shouldn't they allow it to read disks for films and music? And the difference is we're not putting a blu ray into a player to then connect it up to the ps4 to then display it on your tv.

And phones should get rid of calculators and clocks, because we have those already, right?
Like i said before these were useful. instead of carrying a planner around with you can do it on your phone and with a clock you can set an alarm something you can't do on most wrist watches. There are all improvements no one is sitting wishing for a something that gets between you and watching something on tv.

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It would be less ridiculous if the Xbox One replaced your cable box.

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Originally Posted by Marketing

I love the idea of having one box for my games, tv and everything. But the Xbox isn't that. You still need a Sky box for example. On a smartphone, if I was told "HEY this is also now your laptop" (but you need to buy the bigger screen and keyboard dock for that to be the case), I would laugh at it.

I am certainly not saying the PS4 is this, but at £70 cheaper for what will essentially give me the same gaming experience I would say it is a good choice. Having said that, when I buy one or the other in late 2014, I will simply buy whatever the majority of my friends have...

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I ignored my friends and got a Ps3. made lots of new friends. couple years down the line bunch of them came back to PS because of the better games.

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Originally Posted by Southe,

It would be less ridiculous if the Xbox One replaced your cable box.

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With the XB1, you can just say TV, and it will switch to your TV feed. I can't do that right now, so I say that's an improvement for me. I'd definitely take voice activated TV rather than having to scroll through the different outputs on my TV with my remote.

(And when I go around someone elses house, trying to figure which remote does which...)

Why is it such a problem to have TV on a console? So what if the PS4 ever brought out something like that in the future? Would you disown it? :P

I just don't understand the hate for it, I really don't :(

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Originally Posted by Southe,

It would be less ridiculous if the Xbox One replaced your cable box.



I ignored my friends and got a Ps3. made lots of new friends. couple years down the line bunch of them came back to PS because of the better games.

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I did the same with this generation, having said that my current friend group is a fairly even mix. I am not referring to online friends though, talking about real life people - I am not just going to ditch them to find people who have the same console as me haha

I am hoping they pick PS4 - but ultimately both consoles are exceedingly strong - and I wonder how the sales would be if the Xbox was cheaper again...

Replied then something happened and lost it all so will be blunt

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Originally Posted by Kardan

With the XB1, you can just say TV, and it will switch to your TV feed.
Or take 2 seconds to press the button on the remote. Or in my case it does it automatic if i turn my Ps3 on.
I can't do that right now, so I say that's an improvement for me.
You can press buttons on your remote as well.
I'd definitely take voice activated TV rather than having to scroll through the different outputs on my TV with my remote.
Takes 2 seconds
(And when I go around someone elses house, trying to figure which remote does which...)
They should know which button to press
Why is it such a problem to have TV on a console?
Because its for playing games not watching tv. thats what a cable box is for. Like i said faire enough if it was replacing the cable box but its not.
So what if the PS4 ever brought out something like that in the future? Would you disown it? :P
If they went about the same way as Microsoft then Yes. They would have to convince me it would't effect me playing games and would have to optional not mandatory.
I just don't understand the hate for it, I really don't :(

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I don't understand how you can defend it. They told people to "deal with it" when they rumors came out about the always online, told people to get an 360 if they had no internetz, Then because Sony was slaughtering them they say "they listened to your feedback" utter lies. They did a complete 180 on there policies.

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Originally Posted by Marketing

I did the same with this generation, having said that my current friend group is a fairly even mix. I am not referring to online friends though, talking about real life people - I am not just going to ditch them to find people who have the same console as me haha

I am hoping they pick PS4 - but ultimately both consoles are exceedingly strong - and I wonder how the sales would be if the Xbox was cheaper again...

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I got Ps3 purely for MGS. Luckily when i got a new job all of the guys had Ps3's.

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Originally Posted by Southe,

Replied then something happened and lost it all so will be blunt

I don't understand how you can defend it. They told people to "deal with it" when they rumors came out about the always online, told people to get an 360 if they had no internetz, Then because Sony was slaughtering them they say "they listened to your feedback" utter lies. They did a complete 180 on there policies.


I got Ps3 purely for MGS. Luckily when i got a new job all of the guys had Ps3's.

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You're saying your PS3 enables you to watch TV when you turn it on? But XB1 is crap for doing so?

Words fail me.

And if an XB1 is for playing games not watching TV. Why do you have a PS3? You can browse the internet, watch movies etc. Game consoles are no longer for just playing games. I couldn't even tell you the last game console that could even fit that definition, the PS1 could play music discs!

I'm defending it because the XB1 is getting slack for doing more than games. Every single console in the last few years has done more than play games, it's called evolving... The PS4 will likely have most of the features over the XB1, except this 'Enables you to watch TV instantly' thing (which isn't even available in the UK, so for us two, it's not even relevant?).

I honestly can't see why being able to watch TV from your Xbox suddenly makes it the worst thing in the world? The fact is, if XB1 didn't do it, someone else eventually will. Technology will go that way, look at Google Glass and all that voice automated technology stuff.

Oh, and then of course, there's the obvious point. If you don't want to watch TV on your XB1... Don't.

Fair enough, I can understand all the criticism over Kinect and the price, but because you can watch TV? Really? You can watch iPlayer on your PS3/XB1, that's the same thing, just not live. Shall we get rid of them?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

You're saying your PS3 enables you to watch TV when you turn it on? But XB1 is crap for doing so?
What i was meaning was you just press a button and it switches to your tv. And i meant when i turn on my ps3/sky it changes to it automatically.
Words fail me.
D:
And if an XB1 is for playing games not watching TV. Why do you have a PS3? You can browse the internet, watch movies etc. Game consoles are no longer for just playing games. I couldn't even tell you the last game console that could even fit that definition, the PS1 could play music discs!
Microsoft revealed the console and said nothing but tv tv tv tv tv tv tv tv and when i got to games it was bloody EA. You don't announce a new GAMES console then start talking about TV.

I'm defending it because the XB1 is getting slack for doing more than games. Every single console in the last few years has done more than play games, it's called evolving... The PS4 will likely have most of the features over the XB1, except this 'Enables you to watch TV instantly' thing (which isn't even available in the UK, so for us two, it's not even relevant?).
I'm not arguing over evolving and doing more features. I'm complaining that they announced it as a new games console and spoke about TV. I'll say it again. TV. It's not in the UK at launch but will be within the next year or so. They way they handled the reveal is all wrong. They were going at it as if the TV function was the Primary reason for buying a the console and not for the games.

I honestly can't see why being able to watch TV from your Xbox suddenly makes it the worst thing in the world? The fact is, if XB1 didn't do it, someone else eventually will. Technology will go that way, look at Google Glass and all that voice automated technology stuff.
People would do it but they would have handled it better than Microsoft. They should have done it as follows
- Talk about the achievements with the 360
- Reveal Xbox
- Talk about the console itself and the new interface
- A Sequel for people to wow over the graphics so Forza for example
- Bring in EA to talk briefly about w.e
- Mention some other features and mention the you can plug in your cable box to watch tv aswell
- Say about exclusives and there new IP's and show a couple of them.
- Call of duty
- Finish on Halo teaser (You tease it so people talk and come E3 when they announce one the 2nd one comes as a suprise)

Well not saying thats perfect but i would rather have watched that then there one.
Oh, and then of course, there's the obvious point. If you don't want to watch TV on your XB1... Don't.
Yup

Fair enough, I can understand all the criticism over Kinect and the price, but because you can watch TV? Really? You can watch iPlayer on your PS3/XB1, that's the same thing, just not live. Shall we get rid of them?
Never worked for me when i tried it so never used it again.

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Thing is i rarely watch tv as it is. Its the principle that Msoft came out and tried to ram down the Xbox one as some revolutionary device to watch tv on and neglected to talk about the games they just brought out EA and Cod and went meh.

I'll repeat.
Theres nothing wrong in adding other features to the console as long as the don't neglect the fact that at the forefront it is a Games Console and shouldn't try to change it into something else just so they can drag people into there new "vision of the future" If they want to make a box to compliment the tv then fine but call it some thing else. The 2 options where put out for people and people chose not to follow Microsoft and there vision because people don't like it, don't need it and don't want it. And now that majority have went to Ps4 they have gone back on there policies not because of feedback but because Microsoft's plan failed. If they had announced that the Xbox One would replace all your multimedia devices and your cable box then they might have been onto something and the name might have made more sense. Then having a true All in One device might have been a bit more appealing. Anyway I'm ranting so going to finish it here.

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Originally Posted by Adam

It's because I don't want it, nothing to do with privacy issues. If I had a problem with privacy I wouldn't use the internet where all of my information is available freely to everybody. I don't want it because the original Kinect was a terrible, overpriced gimmick that added nothing to the gaming experience (for me, anyway) and Kinect 2 will be no different. "oh but it's new and improved" yeah that's what they tell you because at the end of the day they're not going to undersell ****?Remember that Kinect video a few years back with the Fable kid? That'll never happen because Microsoft have *********** about the potential of Kinect since day one.

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The thing with Kinect is that it has potential to be really cool, but all the games made for it thus far have just been utter ****. Even that Fable game was so awkward to play. If Kinect 2 is better at picking up motion then fair enough, but Kinect 1 just wasn't sensitive enough (beyond jumping, crouching etc)

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Originally Posted by samsaBEAR

The thing with Kinect is that it has potential to be really cool, but all the games made for it thus far have just been utter ****. Even that Fable game was so awkward to play. If Kinect 2 is better at picking up motion then fair enough, but Kinect 1 just wasn't sensitive enough (beyond jumping, crouching etc)

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The lack of decent games were down to the adoption rate being quite low in terms of kinects to 360 ratio. I reckon now every console will have it, it's a definite that a few decent games come out (Hopefully a boxing game) Literally just had the idea for a free multiplayer kinect game. Quickdraw, basically like the old west quickdraw malarkey, with kinect :) You get 5 seconds countdown, then you "draw" and shout bang as fast as possible, whilst getting it on target :) :) :) :)

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Originally Posted by Oleh

The lack of decent games were down to the adoption rate being quite low in terms of kinects to 360 ratio. I reckon now every console will have it, it's a definite that a few decent games come out (Hopefully a boxing game) Literally just had the idea for a free multiplayer kinect game. Quickdraw, basically like the old west quickdraw malarkey, with kinect :) You get 5 seconds countdown, then you "draw" and shout bang as fast as possible, whilst getting it on target :) :) :) :)

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Pretty sure Kinect was one of the fastest selling peripherals...

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

The only next-gen console really attempting innovation is the WiiU, let's be honest.

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Agreed. Nintendo are the only company really innovating in the industry. Whether or not they are succeeding is another debate :P The PS4 and Xbox One are not innovative in comparison, they're simply improving on their current business model by upping the power and offering re-worked services e.g. PSN and Xbox Live. Nintendo are trying to change the way we play games, focusing on controllers with the Wii U, and how we use them. The second screen is an amazing idea, but it needs the damn backing of developers to get anywhere :P Sony and Microsoft innovated with the Move and Kinect, but this generation doesn't appear to have anything.

going out right now to pre-order the PS4 today :inlove:

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Originally Posted by !x!dude!x!2

going out right now to pre-order the PS4 today :inlove:

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I'll be getting Watch Dogs as my launch game looks awesome

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

Pretty sure Kinect was one of the fastest selling peripherals...

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Fastest selling doesn't mean it had a consistent user base or even guarantee all of those users even had it anymore. I bought my Kinect, used it 4 times. Others will be in the same boat.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/06/2...ne-or-xbox-360

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http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/06/20/...ext-gen-system

Good discussion to watch.

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Originally Posted by Southe,

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I'll be getting Watch Dogs as my launch game looks awesome

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i pre-order bf4 for ps3 but i just switched it over to the ps4 , i paid 333.34$ (Canadian) because i traded in my ps3 witch saved me 120$ (Canadian) did you see the video that ps4 made on trading game :O its so funny

I'm gonna get the xbox.

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What made you choose x box?

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Originally Posted by Oleh

Fastest selling doesn't mean it had a consistent user base or even guarantee all of those users even had it anymore. I bought my Kinect, used it 4 times. Others will be in the same boat.

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I have a feeling a lot of parents bought it for their children for christmas just because their child had an Xbox regardless of whether the child expressed a desire for it or not.

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Originally Posted by samsaBEAR

The thing with Kinect is that it has potential to be really cool, but all the games made for it thus far have just been utter ****. Even that Fable game was so awkward to play. If Kinect 2 is better at picking up motion then fair enough, but Kinect 1 just wasn't sensitive enough (beyond jumping, crouching etc)

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Precisely and that's why it's a gimmick and not a revolution. There's no real money to made in Kinect games so developers are reluctant to invest time and money into making Kinect games.

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Originally Posted by Oleh

Fastest selling doesn't mean it had a consistent user base or even guarantee all of those users even had it anymore. I bought my Kinect, used it 4 times. Others will be in the same boat.

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Yes but if people actually sought it Kinect 1 and barely used it, what makes you think forcing Kinect 2 on those people who did not even want it will make them use it?

If it ain't broke don't fix it and the Wii U's sales are examples of that.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

Yes but if people actually sought it Kinect 1 and barely used it, what makes you think forcing Kinect 2 on those people who did not even want it will make them use it?

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It'll guarantee developers that every single SKU sold will have Kinect 2.0 permanently connected. Giving incentive to create bigger and better uses for Kinect.

Xbox One Will Not Include a Headset

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/06/2...lude-a-headset

Pretty silly not introducing a headset but if the Kinect is as good as they say it is then really you only need headphones to plug into your TV (if you don't want people hearing your friends) and you're good to go. For me, I don't mind because I'm going to get a separate headset anyway, so it's just one less thing to sit in the box forever.

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Originally Posted by Southe,

Xbox One Will Not Include a Headset

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/06/2...lude-a-headset

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Pretty much confirmed by the fact it never actually said it was shipping with one from Day 1 of preorders.

You may have already noted but just a quick reminder. From E3 we saw spectacular conventions and demos etc...

But the main reminder that even though we got the PS4price, we did not get to see the User Interface. For Xbox One, on the other hand the User Interface

"Wait, Delta to Cobra DO YOU READ? Ok I'm a bit delayed. Look I'm not a fan of PlayStation HOR but I'm guessing that conference video may of shown a few things. Unlike Xbox One, they showed us full witlessness. Showing people PS4 Giving people the freaking game no fee on youtube did piss me off well as the other Xbox One Fans. Too bad because now greatly No required internet for downloading updates and like PS4 No more freaking DRM. So if Playstation thought their console was different. STAHP! No more DRM on Xbox One. Pretty much the low down on my buttox

No headset? ******y.

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Originally Posted by Oleh

It'll guarantee developers that every single SKU sold will have Kinect 2.0 permanently connected. Giving incentive to create bigger and better uses for Kinect.

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