I think the debate on the root of homosexuality is going to reach a dead end. Dan has his opinion. I believe it to be wrong but each to their own. I think what's more important here is the debate on if it should be allowed on the NHS, especially in the current financial climate where staff aren't being paid enough and jobs are being cut.
He has his opinion sure but he's saying being turned on is 10000000% scientific. That's not an opinion - that's just a lack of understanding :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Mrs.McCall
Thoughts are chemical reactions Dan
The problem being we are not talking about transgendered relationships, their sexual fantasy is irrelevent to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
If sexual fantasy does play a part in this, then thats a fetish/a sexual preference just as some people are into bondage, some people are into blondes - the list is endless. I'm talking about transsexualism not being a chemical reaction which it is not, it is a mental thought.
If you want to go into it that deep then almost everything is a chemical reaction, but i'm talking about transsexualism being a thought - not a reality. Homosexuality on the other hand is a reality as its a chemical reaction in the body, uncontrollable by thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyJesus
The way I see it, we can't judge something we've never felt ourselves. We don't know why people feel the way they do... and unless you have been through it then I honestly don't think you can say why.
So you're writing off gender disorder, you know, which is something thousands of scientists and phycologists have collaborated on and validated as a genuine disorder as nothing more than sexual fantasies?Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
On what grounds do you think you can do that :P
Because its not chemical thats why, the only disorder it can fall under is a mental disorder which needs to be treated. It may be a chemical thought as Tom says but then everything is if you look at it that way. I'm afraid healthcare shouldn't be guranteed on the grounds of thought but of reality, hence why the comparisons between losing a leg and not being the 'right' sex are absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
They feel they are not the right sex in the head - in reality they are the sex they were born as and always will be.
When you get your phycology PhD, Dan, perhaps I will think what you're saying's abit more creditable. For now though I'm more inclined to side with what the majority of the scientific community. I just think you're making incredibly baseless claims here.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Well I look forward to you recieving your PhD also.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
There is debate on this subject (just as there is on global warming which you'd be led to believe was 100% agreed upon when it is not) between scientists whether it is mental or chemical - so don't simply dismiss my arguments as some bronze age rhetoric, because there are two sides to this debate within the scientific community. I side with the psychological side (which you've just mentioned) whereas side with the genetics side.
But don't dismiss my arguments as though they are not backed up, because many back my stance in the scientific community. (see link)
There's also a group of people who think 9/11 was planned by the American government, and this group seems to think the world is flat and surrounded by a giant ice wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Nothing is agreed upon 100%, but pretty darn every scientist thinks global warming is real, and pretty darn every phycologist thinks gender disorder is a genuine disorder.