Transsexual's fight for implants lands taxpayer with £18,000 bill

[Mrs.McCall]

I think the debate on the root of homosexuality is going to reach a dead end. Dan has his opinion. I believe it to be wrong but each to their own. I think what's more important here is the debate on if it should be allowed on the NHS, especially in the current financial climate where staff aren't being paid enough and jobs are being cut.

[HotelUser]

I think the debate on the root of homosexuality is going to reach a dead end. Dan has his opinion. I believe it to be wrong but each to their own. I think what's more important here is the debate on if it should be allowed on the NHS, especially in the current financial climate where staff aren't being paid enough and jobs are being cut.

He has his opinion sure but he's saying being turned on is 10000000% scientific. That's not an opinion - that's just a lack of understanding

[FlyingJesus]

Thoughts are chemical reactions Dan

[-:Undertaker:-]

Straight relationship arousement: caused by subjective thoughts which trigger hormonal reaction (please see how brain works above)

Gay relationship arousement: caused by subjective thoughts which trigger hormonal reaction (please see how brain works above)

Transgendered relationship arousement: caused by subjective thoughts which trigger hormonal reaction (please see how brain works above)

The problem being we are not talking about transgendered relationships, their sexual fantasy is irrelevent to this.

If sexual fantasy does play a part in this, then thats a fetish/a sexual preference just as some people are into bondage, some people are into blondes - the list is endless. I'm talking about transsexualism not being a chemical reaction which it is not, it is a mental thought.

Thoughts are chemical reactions Dan

If you want to go into it that deep then almost everything is a chemical reaction, but i'm talking about transsexualism being a thought - not a reality. Homosexuality on the other hand is a reality as its a chemical reaction in the body, uncontrollable by thought.

[Mrs.McCall]

The way I see it, we can't judge something we've never felt ourselves. We don't know why people feel the way they do... and unless you have been through it then I honestly don't think you can say why.

[HotelUser]

The problem being we are not talking about transgendered relationships, their sexual fantasy is irrelevent to this.

If sexual fantasy does play a part in this, then thats a fetish/a sexual preference just as some people are into bondage, some people are into blondes - the list is endless. I'm talking about transsexualism not being a chemical reaction which it is not, it is a mental thought.



If you want to go into it that deep then almost everything is a chemical reaction, but i'm talking about transsexualism being a thought - not a reality. Homosexuality on the other hand is a reality as its a chemical reaction in the body, uncontrollable by thought.

So you're writing off gender disorder, you know, which is something thousands of scientists and phycologists have collaborated on and validated as a genuine disorder as nothing more than sexual fantasies?

On what grounds do you think you can do that

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So you're writing off gender disorder, you know, which is something thousands of scientists and phycologists have collaborated on and validated as a genuine disorder as nothing more than sexual fantasies?

On what grounds do you think you can do that

Because its not chemical thats why, the only disorder it can fall under is a mental disorder which needs to be treated. It may be a chemical thought as Tom says but then everything is if you look at it that way. I'm afraid healthcare shouldn't be guranteed on the grounds of thought but of reality, hence why the comparisons between losing a leg and not being the 'right' sex are absurd.

They feel they are not the right sex in the head - in reality they are the sex they were born as and always will be.

[HotelUser]

Because its not chemical thats why. It may be a chemical thought as Tom says but then everything is if you look at it that way. I'm afraid healthcare shouldn't be guranteed on the grounds of thought but of reality, hence why the comparisons between losing a leg and not being the 'right' sex are absurd.

They feel they are not the right sex in the head - in reality they are the sex they were born as and always will be.

When you get your phycology PhD, Dan, perhaps I will think what you're saying's abit more creditable. For now though I'm more inclined to side with what the majority of the scientific community. I just think you're making incredibly baseless claims here.

[-:Undertaker:-]

When you get your phycology PhD, Dan, perhaps I will think what you're saying's abit more creditable. For now though I'm more inclined to side with what the majority of the scientific community. I just think you're making incredibly baseless claims here.

Well I look forward to you recieving your PhD also.

There is debate on this subject (just as there is on global warming which you'd be led to believe was 100% agreed upon when it is not) between scientists whether it is mental or chemical - so don't simply dismiss my arguments as some bronze age rhetoric, because there are two sides to this debate within the scientific community. I side with the psychological side (which you've just mentioned) whereas side with the genetics side.

But don't dismiss my arguments as though they are not backed up, because many back my stance in the scientific community. (see link)

[HotelUser]

Well I look forward to you recieving your PhD also.

There is debate on this subject (just as there is on global warming which you'd be led to believe was 100% agreed upon when it is not) between scientists whether it is mental or chemical - so don't simply dismiss my arguments as some bronze age rhetoric, because there are two sides to this debate within the scientific community. I side with the psychological side (which you've just mentioned) whereas you appear to side with the genetics side.

There's also a group of people who think 9/11 was planned by the American government, and this group seems to think the world is flat and surrounded by a giant ice wall.

Nothing is agreed upon 100%, but pretty darn every scientist thinks global warming is real, and pretty darn every phycologist thinks gender disorder is a genuine disorder.