Staff Returning

My guts about this is that it's sometimes taking about a risk. It's a bit like applications really, you don't know how well people will do, so that's why you give them a trial. In some cases it's all about taking a risk here and using the same principle. However, trust bumps this down as it is a senior position, moreover dedication. Normally you can tell by the way they act how well they will cope under a senior position, however if it is still very vague the department has every right to bring someone back in. If it'll do the department good rather than destroying some parts of it somehow, they should do it. Of course, like Mike said, some departments work differently, as he said in the Competitions Department you need to reapply but you don't have a trial, regardless of your position just to see how much effort you will put in. All in all, 95% of these "returnees" have multiple reasons why so, just to maintain a high standard in the department, I would guess.

Exactly this happened in the forum department, it annoyed me, I left again.

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Originally Posted by James

This. If someone stops enjoying the role then its only right to resign so that someone else can take the role and do a good job. :)

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I agree with this, last February I'll admit I was ready to resign at the end of it, I just wanted to stay until the end of the month (unforseen circumstances got me fired six days before the end but I won't divulge into that.)
It's not just James who has said that if you get bored resign. I agree with him entirely, I often on other fansites became majorily bored so posted away.
It gives another person a chance and if it was something like events, for me, I could return if there was space when I liked and I wouldn't mind starting back from the bottom.

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Originally Posted by Jsoh

Personally the only things that would annoy me are;
- If the person left then went to another fansite and was allowed back without applying or anything.
- If the person comes back to a job higher up than the job which they previously left.
- If the person left a considerable amount of time ago (more than say 6 weeks).

Otherwise I think rehiring staff who are good at their jobs is no problem, as long as they do a good job there should be no worries in my mind.

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I agree with you there Josh, I don't think Grig will mind me using his name in my example but Grig is one dedicated member to HabboxForum. He left for ClubHabbo after being dismissed here and then only applied once the applications were open. I think this proves that he wasn't looking for promotion straight away but he knew he had the experience to do any job within the radio department, therefore was willing to work up for it.
On the other hand, if Grig had have only resigned previously then went in a Senior Staff position at ClubHabbo then I don't think it would have been fair if he had returned back to his previous role at Habbox, however, regardless of my example I doubt he would have done that.

I don't agree fully on that one. I think my arguement is how long they have resigned before giving the oppurtunity and also why they resigned in the first place. If they resigned as they didn't have time, then no I don't agree with them returning quickly in a higher position. However, being the best for the role/position is a different ball game in my opinion. If the current General Management team don't think that there is anyone ready, then there most probably will not be, it just steers Habbox in the right direction.

I do agree with you. I think anything over a month or two is a too long of a gap to be away from duties if you were to return at a senior position. However, if say like HabboxLive or Rares with three levels before management then I think that if you were in a senior role, then you should go to the one lower down, if there is space. However, depending on the time being gone, I don't have a problem with people coming and going but if there is someone else that could do the job as well as them then maybe they could be given a chance. They may try, they may fail, they may get demoted but that's what happens in most jobs nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Conservative,

That's exactly what I just said? Lol. You may be experienced and show good dedication but you need to be trusted and skilled. You may be skilled and dedicated, but you need experience. You may be experienced and skilled, but you need to show dedication.

it's like the three sides of promotion:

Experience
Skill Dedication
take one away, and you shouldn't have a promotion.

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Nail hit on the head here although you probably didn't realise it. I cannot think of one person who returned who didn't have that. Habbox does not practice nepotism but neither is it a democracy and those who have left because 'somebody else got promoted' show a lack of maturity anyway as it is basically 'throwing the toys out of the pram'.

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Originally Posted by ShazLouise

(First of all, the people that have done this, don't even go phsyco on me..)

I really dislike the fact when people resign as staff, if it's HRVR or RVR, HxHD or HxHD-SS they can return to their old position straight away. I don't have a problem without them being trialed again without applying but that's unfair. If there is a space free for a senior position then it should be given to a normal staff qho deserves it.

Also, for someone to disappear, then return several months afte does not make sense. The department may of changed by then and for them to step back in to a senior position should not be allowed.

This is just senior positons by the way, or even normal staff - not managers as obviously I see the reasoning behind it.

Also I remember last time this came up, someone mentioned peopel shouldn't be promoted as they don't have the experience... but if people keep returning so high into a department - no one will ever get a promotion nor will there be new staff?

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Mainly because their manager already knows there skills and qualites :)

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Nail hit on the head here although you probably didn't realise it. I cannot think of one person who returned who didn't have that. Habbox does not practice nepotism but neither is it a democracy and those who have left because 'somebody else got promoted' show a lack of maturity anyway as it is basically 'throwing the toys out of the pram'.

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Those who return should have to re-prove their dedication. Because unless you leave for a legitimate reason (family issues, computer issues, exams etc.) then you show a lack of dedication by leaving because "you can't be bothered" anymore.

Skill is easy, anyone who is a DJ at HxL certainly is skilled, and then there is just experience, as I said before - you cannot tell what experience people might have by taking one look at them. It is sometimes necessary to ask them because for all you know, they could've been Head of BBC Radio 1 for 10 years without you knowing.

Really, I think some kind of application should be implemented - where those who WANT promotions can apply, stating their relevant experience (so that the manager doesn't just assume) as well as why they think they deserve it. This has worked at my previous sites and I think it would be best for Habbox, especially when promotions are so hard to get and people deeply want them, it wipes away all suspicions of favouritism or lack of judgement. If people want the promotion - they apply, then the best 2 or 3 are trialed for a week or 2 then the best one for the job is picked. That's my opinion, that's how it should work, because it's fair and in the end, everyone who wants to be considered - is.

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Originally Posted by Conservative,

Those who return should have to re-prove their dedication. Because unless you leave for a legitimate reason (family issues, computer issues, exams etc.) then you show a lack of dedication by leaving because "you can't be bothered" anymore.

Skill is easy, anyone who is a DJ at HxL certainly is skilled, and then there is just experience, as I said before - you cannot tell what experience people might have by taking one look at them. It is sometimes necessary to ask them because for all you know, they could've been Head of BBC Radio 1 for 10 years without you knowing.

Really, I think some kind of application should be implemented - where those who WANT promotions can apply, stating their relevant experience (so that the manager doesn't just assume) as well as why they think they deserve it. This has worked at my previous sites and I think it would be best for Habbox, especially when promotions are so hard to get and people deeply want them, it wipes away all suspicions of favouritism or lack of judgement. If people want the promotion - they apply, then the best 2 or 3 are trialed for a week or 2 then the best one for the job is picked. That's my opinion, that's how it should work, because it's fair and in the end, everyone who wants to be considered - is.

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If applications were open i can tell you now that ALL of the department would apply i know for a fact that in every department everyone is there for at least one promotion in that department, i don't think anyone would not want a promotion. As for your comment about people saying "they can't be bothered anymore" that may just mean they was no longer enjoying that role, surely you'd want someone who was a manager/in a senior role to enjoy the role they were given if they don't enjoy it then its only right to give it someone else who wants to take that role and do a good job.

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Originally Posted by Conservative,

Really, I think some kind of application should be implemented - where those who WANT promotions can apply, stating their relevant experience (so that the manager doesn't just assume) as well as why they think they deserve it. This has worked at my previous sites and I think it would be best for Habbox, especially when promotions are so hard to get and people deeply want them, it wipes away all suspicions of favouritism or lack of judgement. If people want the promotion - they apply, then the best 2 or 3 are trialed for a week or 2 then the best one for the job is picked. That's my opinion, that's how it should work, because it's fair and in the end, everyone who wants to be considered - is.

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Wouldn't that be counterproductive though. I know for a fact that if I was in the running for something such as HxHD Super Staff and got rejected because someone else was better I would be so disheartened and wouldn't necessarily see the point of continuing as I would feel undervalued or as if I wasn't worth it. Whereas if someone else was promoted I would be thinking what can I do to improve myself so I can get the promotion instead of someone else next time.

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Originally Posted by James

If applications were open i can tell you now that ALL of the department would apply i know for a fact that in every department everyone is there for at least one promotion in that department, i don't think anyone would not want a promotion. As for your comment about people saying "they can't be bothered anymore" that may just mean they was no longer enjoying that role, surely you'd want someone who was a manager/in a senior role to enjoy the role they were given if they don't enjoy it then its only right to give it someone else who wants to take that role and do a good job.

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Not necessarily. I know someone who has had a Senior role but didn't want it.

And hence why people should not be given it if they return when they quit because "they can't be bothered" because that, as you rightly said, says they don't enjoy it, which means that when they come back...will they really enjoy it? Probably not, they're probably just there for the power.

I just think there needs to be a fairer system in place (such as applications) so that people who want it, get to be considered, and those that don't - aren't. And before someone says "we look at every individual" you cannot possibly know every shred of experience they have in a Senior Position unless you're going to dig up their applications (which are most likely deleted after replied to). You don't KNOW who has the most experience. You don't KNOW who will enjoy it the most. You don't KNOW who'll do the best job. You've got to give everyone who wants the chance to be considered that chance or it becomes a society of dictatorship where the leaders put their friends in power because they think "they'll do the best job" when in reality for all you know little DJ Benny could be the best Senior DJ ever, but because the RM doesn't like him, he won't get promotion.

If people are getting promotions based on past experience, then really, shouldn't everyone be asked about their past experience? ;l

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Originally Posted by MollieKing

Wouldn't that be counterproductive though. I know for a fact that if I was in the running for something such as HxHD Super Staff and got rejected because someone else was better I would be so disheartened and wouldn't necessarily see the point of continuing as I would feel undervalued or as if I wasn't worth it. Whereas if someone else was promoted I would be thinking what can I do to improve myself so I can get the promotion instead of someone else next time.

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I wouldn't see it like that. I'd ask the manager why they got it instead of me and then work on whatever they said I needed to to get it next time. Yes I might be a little upset, but then that's the same with regular DJ applications - people apply and people are turned down. That doesn't stop them applying next time round.

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Originally Posted by Conservative,

Not necessarily. I know someone who has had a Senior role but didn't want it.

And hence why people should not be given it if they return when they quit because "they can't be bothered" because that, as you rightly said, says they don't enjoy it, which means that when they come back...will they really enjoy it? Probably not, they're probably just there for the power.

I just think there needs to be a fairer system in place (such as applications) so that people who want it, get to be considered, and those that don't - aren't. And before someone says "we look at every individual" you cannot possibly know every shred of experience they have in a Senior Position unless you're going to dig up their applications (which are most likely deleted after replied to). You don't KNOW who has the most experience. You don't KNOW who will enjoy it the most. You don't KNOW who'll do the best job. You've got to give everyone who wants the chance to be considered that chance or it becomes a society of dictatorship where the leaders put their friends in power because they think "they'll do the best job" when in reality for all you know little DJ Benny could be the best Senior DJ ever, but because the RM doesn't like him, he won't get promotion.

If people are getting promotions based on past experience, then really, shouldn't everyone be asked about their past experience? ;l

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Sure they may of been at other fansites and been radio manager or at a high role there? yh so? this is habbox not another fansite if you left that fansite to join habbox then doesnt mean you should have to work your way up again and prove your dedicated to habbox? :S
I really agree with what joe said before that i know if i applied and didnt get the job i'd feel undervalued and would mostly likely just give up whereas if someone else got promoted i'd think of other ways to improve myself to get a promotion next time. :)