Reputation vs Like/Thanks system?

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Originally Posted by scottish

course they will rep is life to some people :P

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Just seems a little silly imo :p is there actually valid arguments to why people like the rep system other than it being there for those who love a good aul power trip?


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Can y'all stop posting in quotes. Colours don't display on tapatalk!!


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Originally Posted by Richie

Just seems a little silly imo :p is there actually valid arguments to why people like the rep system other than it being there for those who love a good aul power trip?


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All I can see is the ability to include a comment (which could otherwise be done in a post along with the rest of the comment) and obviously people can't part with their power.

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Originally Posted by scottish

All I can see is the ability to include a comment (which could otherwise be done in a post along with the rest of the comment) and obviously people can't part with their power.

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It baffles me, why can't people use the little bit of jelly between their ears and come up with a solution. All they have to do is quote the person saying "I totally agree / disagree" with a reason to why. It'd also increase activity if people have to reply to another user explaining why they agree / disagree with a post.


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Remove power but keep status. Done. Why do we need rep power ugh


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Originally Posted by scottish

If every other forum (not literally, majority) has moved on to another system there's obviously it's out dated as well as every forum software since then including a like/thanks system as opposed to a reputation, no? No not at all, something being "outdated" suggests that its use is prohibitive compared to an improvement, not that people have decided on something else altogether. Most of Europe switched to the Euro but sterling isn't outdated.
UserCP shows points, there is no count of the amount of times you've been repped. That is still "a total" as you said you wanted, and the system still knows the number of reps you've received too as is clear from it being able to log each and every one of them as it does.
The amount of points you accumulate is the reward, so if you helped in 1,000 posts and got 3,000 likes for that, that's your reward. You don't need to have a power 104 times higher than a new user to be able to be rewarded through a system. I don't need that, no, but the only compromises that are being considered as anything akin to fair (although no-one seems to know what that really means) would show me as having 35,539 times more than a new member. Even if it were each rep given rather than the total rep received I would have ~1700 times what a new person has, and since all reps/likes would carry equal weight from then on it would actually be much harder for them to ever close the gap without abusing the system.
You can easily impose limits on liking each person x times within a week, or only once a week etc. and you can show which posts you liked in some systems afaik. Imposing limits on a like system isn't a like system at all, just the rep system we have but with 1 rep power fixed for everyone, which would have its own massive flaws.

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Originally Posted by Richie

It baffles me to think how people can use the little bit of jelly between their ears and come up with a solution. All they have to do is quote the person saying "I totally agree / disagree" with a reason to why. It'd also increase activity if people have to reply to another user explaining why they agree / disagree with a post.


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Many people don't do that and even in agreeing reps you'll find that the comments section is left empty. It's a difficult one, I think I would prefer a far smaller text limit for a compulsory comment section that allows them to expand on it within the thread if they wish


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Originally Posted by scottish

The favourite system is essentially a like system.

I'd say it's more to do with saving and compiling your favourite tweets, not a like system. There's no counter anywhere showing the total amount of favourites on all tweets. If anything, it's more like it is with the current rep system where it shows popularity post by post :P

Where as if you look at that you'd see +2 on the post. So for example countless times I've insulted FlyingJesus and ended up with like 10 +reps so it looks like insulting flyingjesus is a good thing (I won't argue about that, but from the perspective of the forum it's not, as it's promoting negativity and bullying in a sense)

Typically you're going to get people in graphics telling you what's wrong rather than -repping you (unless you're ripping peoples work)

Yes, you would currently see +2 on both, but I'm also an advocate of showing -rep in the bottom left and that's something else entirely. Also, if you've ever been in the graphics section, nowadays you don't really get anything (the whole subforum is basically dead). It was just an example on how -rep isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Sure, but with the current system it's the exact same. But there is NO chance of users spotting it (unless you're involved in the abuse)

At the end of the day, abuse doesn't happen that much until a couple of people run a script on the forum. Fair point nonetheless. Could possibly be countered with showing who reps alongside how many reps per post.

ideally you wouldn't want people agreeing with something that's insulting someone, they'd be more reluctant as they'd be 'out there' and that person can see who actually dislike/hates them.

"Extremist" views =/= insulting someone. In many cases, it can mean the exact opposite.

I know. Like system provides both, my initial point.

This matters, because? I thought your point was towards an equal voice more so than being able to see the amount of posts? I'm sure it wouldn't be overly difficult to put something in to count up the posts without changing to a like system.

I can guarantee more than 1 person has thought wtf is the rep system (guarantee as in the 11 years I've been here I've seen people question in both help desk and forum).

But that could still be a tiny percentage in the grand scheme of things. I'd understand if you were talking more 80% of people finding it confusing, but it doesn't really seem to be like that.

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At the end of the day, I don't care so much if rep goes (though I do think it should be exported and put somewhere if it gets completely wiped), I just disagree with only having the ability to like something and not dislike it.

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Originally Posted by Kyle

Many people don't do that and even in agreeing reps you'll find that the comments section is left empty. It's a difficult one, I think I would prefer a far smaller text limit for a compulsory comment section that allows them to expand on it within the thread if they wish


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I understand what you are saying but what I'm trying to say is, introduce a like / dislike system that doesn't allow you to leave comments but if someone still agrees/disagrees with a post and wants the user they're agreeing to know they 'liked' their post then they would have to reply giving a valid reason to why they agree (otherwise they'll be posting pointlessly), rather than being lazy and just saying 'Agreed' without stating why.

Tbh I'm not that fussed if/how it changes once reputation power system isn't a factor. I'd prefer what I suggested but I won't lose sleep if it's implemented slightly differently :P

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@scottish; you should have just put two options, Keep current rep system, change the rep system to a like system, then if the second one did win it could be open for discussion on how it should be implemented. Having loads of options is just going to weaken any type of chance of change.

It should be even, change to a like system or keep it how it is, so voting is fair. I quite like all of the options bar the first but I can't vote for them all. I just think some sort of change is needed.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

If every other forum (not literally, majority) has moved on to another system there's obviously it's out dated as well as every forum software since then including a like/thanks system as opposed to a reputation, no? No not at all, something being "outdated" suggests that its use is prohibitive compared to an improvement, not that people have decided on something else altogether. Most of Europe switched to the Euro but sterling isn't outdated. It is prohibitive compared to an improvement in the sense that it is restricted to specific stuff (such as inability to show your total amount of reps, inability to show keep it fair, inability to maintain it efficiently, etc) even half the stuff that's done with the rep just now is been modified in some way or another (rep counters on posts, multiple pages of received rep, rep given, rep points on userCP (for each rep)
UserCP shows points, there is no count of the amount of times you've been repped. That is still "a total" as you said you wanted, and the system still knows the number of reps you've received too as is clear from it being able to log each and every one of them as it does. It doesn't show a total amount, it only shows you a total inclusive of the hugely inflated powers. And again that would require core files to be modified to even attempt to get something shown.
The amount of points you accumulate is the reward, so if you helped in 1,000 posts and got 3,000 likes for that, that's your reward. You don't need to have a power 104 times higher than a new user to be able to be rewarded through a system. I don't need that, no, but the only compromises that are being considered as anything akin to fair (although no-one seems to know what that really means) would show me as having 35,539 times more than a new member. Even if it were each rep given rather than the total rep received I would have ~1700 times what a new person has, and since all reps/likes would carry equal weight from then on it would actually be much harder for them to ever close the gap without abusing the system. No it wouldn't unless you've received 35,539 reputation comments. The conversion is 1 +rep = 1 like, not 1 rep power. There's a huge different. Yes, you'd receive 1,700 more likes than a new person. Which would show you've experience and a history on the forum and not giving you some hugely inflated power when you like another person.. and that's what's wanted. Someone who's been here for 10 years should have higher 'likes' than someone who joins today, but it shouldn't give you the ability to like a post for 100 points and them 1 point. Power is the issue, if reps were always +1 point per rep then it wouldn't be as much of an issue today (aside from the whole negativity and such)
You can easily impose limits on liking each person x times within a week, or only once a week etc. and you can show which posts you liked in some systems afaik. Imposing limits on a like system isn't a like system at all, just the rep system we have but with 1 rep power fixed for everyone, which would have its own massive flaws. I never said they need to be imposed, but if it was being abused (assuming it were to be released) then something like once a day limit could be imposed, sure it's not ideal but if it's going to prevent abuse then so be it. Rep wasn't intended to have limits or a huge amount of work load revolving around it but look where we are today?

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I assume you have no reply to the points you cut out?

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