Reputation vs Like/Thanks system?

[Kyle]

Keep or reform current system. No to likes.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[MKR&*42]

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/faq.php?faq=rep

Tsr rep is capped isn't it


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I was just on their site trying to find the faq for rep and you posted it jesus.

Yes can only rep 5 times per day if that's what you meant?

Also the rep levels are extremely hard to progress through (e..g right now I have 15,000 rep poitns and a power/level of 45. Whereas on TSR I would only be on power/level 10).

[FlyingJesus]

- Reputation is an out dated system In no provable way other than "other places have changed!!!!"
- Reputation is heavily seen as a negative system [citation needed]
- Reputation adds more work for forum staff due to reports Only when you tell staff to delete Akeam's valid reps
- Reputation is abused (friends repping each other, pointless reps, rude reps, revenge reps, etc) And this could never happen with a like system obv
- Like system publicly shows who agrees/liked your posts Rep system could do that I'm sure if that's what people want
- Like system shows a 'total' (rather than power) Rep system could also do that, it does it in userCP so the forum obviously knows the numbers
- Like system has a flat out power (1) making it equal for all (i.e. someone joining tomorrow can like a post, as well as someone from 10 years ago, and there isn't 80 points different within their 'like') Thereby taking away any semblance of a reward
- Like system is more widely used, so newer members will understand it where as some may not understand the reputation system (*) Learning is bad

If we were to bring in a like system to the forum then we could suspend the rep feature so that rep could no longer be issued. This would allow those who have become attached to their rep power to keep it displayed permanently.

That would make things permanently unequal. I like having the most rep obv but if we're going to pretend that fairness is an issue here then stopping new users from ever having the chance to have a high rep count/power doesn't make any sense

Lol just skimmed through that thread and Scott made a post that said habbox will be dead long before anyone reaches 100 rep power. I think that's telling of how highly repped users are able to keep an exponentially increase their monopoly and new users are left in the cold when it comes to having any visible sway on opinion through their meagre rep powers.

Your maths is off. All rep powers go up exponentially as more rep occurs, but the differences should (if everyone got repped the same amount, which they don't for obvious reasons) decrease since newer members will be receiving much more per rep than they give out. People with higher rep continuing to get more only shows that their posts are deemed more worthy of rep, not that the system mathematically fails newer members by design


Realistically any changes that are in any way necessary could be done to the current system rather than pretending that everyone's equal and reputation means something other than reputation. Also changing all rep power to 1 just means no-one's position will ever change, as well as the massive problem of like systems with an overall count being open to extreme abuse since there isn't a limit on how many times you can like posts by X user, and if there is then it's not going to actually show which posts you like obviously.

[scottish]

- Reputation is an out dated system In no provable way other than "other places have changed!!!!" If every other forum (not literally, majority) has moved on to another system there's obviously it's out dated as well as every forum software since then including a like/thanks system as opposed to a reputation, no?
- Reputation is heavily seen as a negative system [citation needed] See every thread regarding the negatives of the system and countless threads asking to change, remove -reps and so on due to it providing a negative atmosphere with -reps
- Reputation adds more work for forum staff due to reports Only when you tell staff to delete Akeam's valid reps If it was valid it wouldn't be removed now would it? Revenge rep is against the rules if you cared to check.
- Reputation is abused (friends repping each other, pointless reps, rude reps, revenge reps, etc) And this could never happen with a like system obv It's a lot clearer with a like system as every member can clearly see what's happening with every post. Reputation is the complete opposite.
- Like system publicly shows who agrees/liked your posts Rep system could do that I'm sure if that's what people want Not unless you were to either rewrite the full system, the only built in way is to show your profile to all.
- Like system shows a 'total' (rather than power) Rep system could also do that, it does it in userCP so the forum obviously knows the numbers UserCP shows points, there is no count of the amount of times you've been repped.
- Like system has a flat out power (1) making it equal for all (i.e. someone joining tomorrow can like a post, as well as someone from 10 years ago, and there isn't 80 points different within their 'like') Thereby taking away any semblance of a reward The amount of points you accumulate is the reward, so if you helped in 1,000 posts and got 3,000 likes for that, that's your reward. You don't need to have a power 104 times higher than a new user to be able to be rewarded through a system.
- Like system is more widely used, so newer members will understand it where as some may not understand the reputation system (*) Learning is bad Shouldn't be anything to learn for a new forum, as Inseriousity liked to remind us the other day "keep it simple, stupid" (ps this is a principle not an insult @the don; )



That would make things permanently unequal. I like having the most rep obv but if we're going to pretend that fairness is an issue here then stopping new users from ever having the chance to have a high rep count/power doesn't make any sense

I agree, link system with reps number of reps imported. No to both at the same time.

Your maths is off. All rep powers go up exponentially as more rep occurs, but the differences should (if everyone got repped the same amount, which they don't for obvious reasons) decrease since newer members will be receiving much more per rep than they give out. People with higher rep continuing to get more only shows that their posts are deemed more worthy of rep, not that the system mathematically fails newer members by design




Realistically any changes that are in any way necessary could be done to the current system rather than pretending that everyone's equal and reputation means something other than reputation. Also changing all rep power to 1 just means no-one's position will ever change, as well as the massive problem of like systems with an overall count being open to extreme abuse since there isn't a limit on how many times you can like posts by X user, and if there is then it's not going to actually show which posts you like obviously.

You can easily impose limits on liking each person x times within a week, or only once a week etc. and you can show which posts you liked in some systems afaik.

red

[Reality]

There's no need to change a working system which has been in place since the early days of Habbox. The system isn't negative in anyway, it is a way to show appreciation or dislike against a post. The "Like" system will be the same as the current Reputation system anyway, just excluding -Rep options. I also like the authenticity of a Rep system as it allows you to add a short message, which is nicer than just giving a generic like.

[dbgtz]

It was an old system used when vB came out in what 2004? Every other forum software adapted this to a like/thanks system as well as several plugins for vbullletin. Most social websites will make use of some form of 'like' system (reddit, facebook, even the likes of twitter with retween/favourites)

Reddit goes a bit beyond a like system and Twitter isn't really a like system.

As a Habbo fansite you're obviously encouraging a positive atmosphere so obviously a negative system which promotes a negative atmosphere is going to be a bad thing..

Right, but as far as I see it, it's almost a false positive. If somebody was to post tomorrow and for instance would get 2 +rep and 3 -rep for say not contributing well to a debate. This could suggest to them that what they've posted isn't of the greatest quality, and thus will improve. If the -rep people can no longer do so, but they still get 2 likes, then to them it seems like there's no issue.
And, as someone who has done a fair amount of graphics and received a fair amount of -rep early on, it helped with getting to grips on a few things (mainly how to appropriately post). Purely anecdotal, but if you'll use an example with 1 person then so shall I.

Did you read this thread? See Wispur's reply. Obviously it does.

I skimmed. It was an actual question

It sure could but it's a public system, so if you liked every one of my posts, I'm sure someone would spot it fairly quickly, where as rep abuse would go unnoticed unless an admin actively looked for it, or the rep got reported.

But they could easily not spot it at the same time. What you've said is purely speculation.

Again promotes a positive atmosphere, for example now if I insult you I might get 10 people who hate you +repping me, where as in a system that's public I wouldn't imagine many (if any) would do the same.

On the other hand, people will be more reluctant to agree with someone who has more extremist views in fear of being judged, which stifles discussion. Both what you and I say is pure speculation with nothing to back it.

Feel free to tell me how many reps I've gained via the post-by-post system

By post-by-post, I mean you can see how many reps each individual post has got, not the total.

I never said it's better, but given the source (the asterisk) obviously some members see it as being a more understandable and easy to use system, maybe because it's so popular on literally every other website in the world so they're more used to it, then come to old fashioned habbox and think wtf is rep, idk.

One person... You could find "some members" for just about anything.

So because I plan on quitting in a few months means I can't make the forum 'better' for the duration I'm still here? or my opinion isn't valid? no.

Not that, just me doubting your plans

In green.

[Richie]

I'd just remove the rep system, completely, if I had my way. Introduce a like / dislike system with no "power" status so it's a fair system for both newer and older members, just like the facebook system. The only difference being, people can dislike a post which will remove abither like, however it should never go into a negative state.

There's no need to have a status bar, all it does is make people think they're better than others 'cause they have a high rep status, there's no other reason for it other than power. I'd imagine a lot of people would be adamant to keep the current system though.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[scottish]

It was an old system used when vB came out in what 2004? Every other forum software adapted this to a like/thanks system as well as several plugins for vbullletin. Most social websites will make use of some form of 'like' system (reddit, facebook, even the likes of twitter with retween/favourites)

Reddit goes a bit beyond a like system and Twitter isn't really a like system.

The favourite system is essentially a like system.

As a Habbo fansite you're obviously encouraging a positive atmosphere so obviously a negative system which promotes a negative atmosphere is going to be a bad thing..

Right, but as far as I see it, it's almost a false positive. If somebody was to post tomorrow and for instance would get 2 +rep and 3 -rep for say not contributing well to a debate. This could suggest to them that what they've posted isn't of the greatest quality, and thus will improve. If the -rep people can no longer do so, but they still get 2 likes, then to them it seems like there's no issue.
And, as someone who has done a fair amount of graphics and received a fair amount of -rep early on, it helped with getting to grips on a few things (mainly how to appropriately post). Purely anecdotal, but if you'll use an example with 1 person then so shall I.

Where as if you look at that you'd see +2 on the post. So for example countless times I've insulted FlyingJesus and ended up with like 10 +reps so it looks like insulting flyingjesus is a good thing (I won't argue about that, but from the perspective of the forum it's not, as it's promoting negativity and bullying in a sense)

Typically you're going to get people in graphics telling you what's wrong rather than -repping you (unless you're ripping peoples work)

Did you read this thread? See Wispur's reply. Obviously it does.

I skimmed. It was an actual question

Then re-read the thread and you'll get proof of my answer.

It sure could but it's a public system, so if you liked every one of my posts, I'm sure someone would spot it fairly quickly, where as rep abuse would go unnoticed unless an admin actively looked for it, or the rep got reported.

But they could easily not spot it at the same time. What you've said is purely speculation.

Sure, but with the current system it's the exact same. But there is NO chance of users spotting it (unless you're involved in the abuse)

Again promotes a positive atmosphere, for example now if I insult you I might get 10 people who hate you +repping me, where as in a system that's public I wouldn't imagine many (if any) would do the same.

On the other hand, people will be more reluctant to agree with someone who has more extremist views in fear of being judged, which stifles discussion. Both what you and I say is pure speculation with nothing to back it.

ideally you wouldn't want people agreeing with something that's insulting someone, they'd be more reluctant as they'd be 'out there' and that person can see who actually dislike/hates them.

Feel free to tell me how many reps I've gained via the post-by-post system

By post-by-post, I mean you can see how many reps each individual post has got, not the total.

I know. Like system provides both, my initial point.

I never said it's better, but given the source (the asterisk) obviously some members see it as being a more understandable and easy to use system, maybe because it's so popular on literally every other website in the world so they're more used to it, then come to old fashioned habbox and think wtf is rep, idk.

One person... You could find "some members" for just about anything.

I can guarantee more than 1 person has thought wtf is the rep system (guarantee as in the 11 years I've been here I've seen people question in both help desk and forum).

So because I plan on quitting in a few months means I can't make the forum 'better' for the duration I'm still here? or my opinion isn't valid? no.

Not that, just me doubting your plans

Doubt my plans all you want, I won't be here to care when it goes ahead

In green.

red

[Chippiewill]

I want either a like system or a log2 around the rep power.

[scottish]

I'd just remove the rep system, completely. Introduce a like / dislike system with no "power" status so it's a fair system for both newer and older members, just like the facebook system.

There's no need to have a status bar, all it does is make people think they're better than others cause they have a high rep status, there's no other reason for it other than power. I'd imagine a lot of people would be adamant to keep the current system though.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

course they will rep is life to some people