The capital punishment thread got me thinking on people's views on abortions.
If you don't know, pro life means you're against abortions and pro choice means you're for abortions. Discuss.
I'm Pro Life.
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The capital punishment thread got me thinking on people's views on abortions.
If you don't know, pro life means you're against abortions and pro choice means you're for abortions. Discuss.
I'm Pro Life.
Pro Choice doesn't mean you're for abortion. It simply means you give women a choice whether or not they want to abort.
I think it depends on the situation.
If she was raped and got pregnant I think she should have a choice. However if she was carelessly sleeping around without protection I don't think she should be allowed to have an abortion.
Unless the person was raped I don't think people should be allowed to have abortions. If they really don't want to take care of a kid why not just give it up for adoption?
I'm against.
You see all of these people who desperatly want a child, And people are having abortions?
Women who want abortions should have the baby and then give it up for adoption.
If you abort your taking away someones life, And in my opinion its murder.
I've always been against abortion. As Soph mentioned, it's like taking away somebody's life, not giving them a chance to live but ending their life just like that. It's not right and it's unfair for the poor child.
Not sure. Some people don't want babies and they use condoms, but they split and they end up pregnant, if they don't want kids then they're gonna be a tad annoyed if they cannot get an abortion.
[quote=Horizon;2300773]I think it depends on the situation.
If she was raped and got pregnant I think she should have a choice. However[quote]
yeh, agreed.
However, I think they should still have a choice, as many teenagers are now aged 16 - 18 who get pregnant, now if it happened to my gf, well i would ask her what she wants to do, as either way i will do my little bit:)
hmmph, yeh:)
Depends, I read just yesterday about a woman carrying a rapists baby and she aborted it. I think if the situation is as bad as that you should have a choice. Hence why I voted Pro choice.
I'm pro choice.
Its a woman's body therefore she has the right to choose.
Some situations it's the right choice, as in ****, birth defects, etc.
Sometimes its not like if they are pregnant and dont want kids.
Alot of cultures have their own beliefs.
Untimatley its not a baby until it breathes, its a feotus(sp).
Some people will always make the wrong choices, but they have the right to choose what choice they make.
exactly what she said :)Quote:
Originally Posted by :soph
I agree with FoxyFox00Quote:
Originally Posted by foxyfox00
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Originally Posted by Horizon
Both make gd points in my opinion...Quote:
Originally Posted by :soph
I for abortions. If the mother wasnt ready for a child or doesnt have the time and money to bring it up, then i think she should be allowed.
against? if you're having a baby don't abort it, give it to someone for needs it obv!
but yeh, the situtation also adds a contract ;| [eg raepe]
Personally i couldn't have an abortion, but everybody has the right to chose what they want to do in that situation and im fine with that.
Pro Choice, even though it is against my religion but its a womens body so its there decision and if they really want to have an abortion, I would respect their choice.
i would say its up to the woman as she has to carry it for 9 month and if she dont wanna go through with it get rid of it. I would still say its murder getting an abortion after a certain perido of time but its the womans choice as its inside of her but some reasons are just stupid for abortion like if they just dont want it but some reasons are aceptable like raped etc.
End of the day it is her choice ^^
Im Pro-Choice, If the child is going to be like a Vegtable then it shouldn't be brought into the world to suffer, Also if a mother at 16 has no Money and nothing then I think she should have the Choice to abort the Baby otherwise the chances are that the Kid will be a robber or Sponge to suck money out of Decent people in this country.
Pretty good argument here
If I'm serious though, I'm pro-choice. Ok so you don't like abortions.. don't have them. Not everyone has to conform to your views, they should conform to mine. You can say "put them up for adoption" all you like, but let's be honest, there isn't much market for a black baby, a disabled baby, an ugly baby or a baby who comes from a line of rapists and murderers, so it's not always an option. Even if you're going to have a healthy white baby who comes from a line of perfect human beings, many women just don't like the thought of giving birth. If I was a woman and I got pregnant, I wouldn't particularly want to balloon, stretch myself and end up with a chuff like a wizard's sleeve just so someone else can have a kid that they'll probably end up hating.
I dont know about enland, but in america, orphanages are extremely full. It isnt like there are people lining up in the streets who want a baby so badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by :soph
Im pro-choice. Its a women's choice and shouldn't be anyone elses. The arguement that "abortion is preventing something that could be alive from living" is flawed. Condoms prevent something that could be alive from living. Hell, you could argue that NOT having sex is preventing something from living.
pro choice. if you don't wanna have the baby, then you shouldn't have to.
Pro Choise, any abosult desison comes with a massive down side, the choise should be of those involved.
A fetus is not a baby it simply has the potental to become one it should be noted.
I think you're a person and you are alive at the moment of conception, it shouldn't be that the child doesn't matter until a few months have passed, either way it's murder. And I know people have said in the situation of someone being raped they should be allowed to have an abortion, but why not turn a bad thing into a postive thing? Even if you don't keep the child let it live and let it grow up and be somebody. And also I realize people aren't lining up the streets to adopt babies but there's always alternatives, I don't know how it works everywhere but I know in my city if you have a child you can bring it to the police and they'll find a home for it. But I just don't think killing it is an option. What happens later in life when you realize you killed your first child? And I also realize it's ultimately the woman's decision but I don't think I could let a girl kill my child. It's just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
Pro Choice.
I Believe Life Began's When You Come Out Of Ur Mother's Womb. Therefore Its Not Murder Or Any Of That Other Jargon If The Circumstances Are Bad And you Dont Think U Could Look After The Child\Children Then Its Right To Abort
If we're going to start talking about when it's actually alive and such, I'd say that it's about the 7th week after conception, as that's when the brain starts to form. Before then it's about as alive as a plant.
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Originally Posted by Horizon
About the bit in bold.. if you force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want, that baby might end up very alone, with a bad quality of life and with their mother resenting them for ruining their life.
Anyway, i'm obviously pro-choice in regards to that ^^. I think its a womans body, and everyone should have the choice of what happens to their body, abortion denies a woman of this. Plus, you can't just have a baby then put it up for adoption because you don't want it. Its not fair to the baby for a start off, and probably not fair to the mother as guilt would set in, and a few years down the line she might end up having to face the child with a reason why she put them up for adoption. Its not fair to either of them to deny someone an abortion.
I've decided that I'm pro-choice, and that the choice lies with the potential father. Simply because I'm 1) a man and 2) sexist
I'm pro life if I ever got someone pregnent and they had an abortion I would always think would could have been? They could have turned out to be and important historic figure they could of found the cure for cancer HIV or Aids?
on the other hand I do think everyone has the right to choose if they want a baby or not and if they're not ready they have the right to abort
They could also have been the next Hitler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan2nd
Yet at first its a bunch of cells, nothing like a baby, unless you belive every woman is murdering a baby monthly, and men murder a few million every time they jack off "/Quote:
Originally Posted by :dallsgreen
At conception its less alive, than a strand of hair "/
No killing is involved "/ if a baby of a few days counts as alive, your barber must be a serial killer every time he cuts your hair.. in fact, you murdering trillions a day, every skin cell that dies is more alive and more complex than a baby at the start "/, the only diffence is in the DNA and stem cells "/Quote:
And I know people have said in the situation of someone being raped they should be allowed to have an abortion, but why not turn a bad thing into a postive thing? Even if you don't keep the child let it live and let it grow up and be somebody. And also I realize people aren't lining up the streets to adopt babies but there's always alternatives, I don't know how it works everywhere but I know in my city if you have a child you can bring it to the police and they'll find a home for it.
Sos your idea that conception classifies something as alive "/ and to be honest your not the one going to be pregnant (working of assumtion your male)Quote:
But I just don't think killing it is an option. What happens later in life when you realize you killed your first child? And I also realize it's ultimately the woman's decision but I don't think I could let a girl kill my child. It's just wrong.
your view seems over whelmingly nieve "/
I'm a christian so I guess if I was traditional I'd be against abortion but I think it should be allowed if the baby wouldn't live a good life. I mean if they were deformed or had a bad handicap that would really bodge their life up bad. But if it's some erm ... slot? (replace o with u...) who's slept around and wants to abort their baby then they're just completelty selfish...
They can a) Give birth to the baby and try and raise it as well as possible
b) Put the baby for adoption so it can goto a loving home
The sperm by itself and the egg by itself isn't a baby, but at the moment of conception it starts to form. I don't think it matters how far along it is at conception, eventually it would form into a baby and that's what matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
You're taking what I said to the extreme. It doesn't matter to me how alive or not alive the baby is at conception it's the fact that it will eventually become a child. You think of it as a useless cell, I think of it as a human being with rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
I realize I wouldn't be getting pregnant and it us ultimately the woman's choice, as I already mentioned, but if that's my child I'd do everything I could to stop it from being killed. I'm sorry if you feel that they're not a person, but my faith has taught me to believe they are, and I strongly agree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
Pro life.
you wouldnt be alive if your parents had an abortion. :(
Most the time maybe, but its not a garentee anture aint perfect "/Quote:
Originally Posted by :dallsgreen
Plus since we can fetalise an egg without even needing a sperm nowdays, thats also got just as much potenatal to form a baby, the genetic data in every sperm also has equal potential, Every other possible baby dies on the way under your idea. one out of billions possible.
Well since we can exstract the same cells (exsactly the same ones) from every animal on the planet, do they also count as human beings with rights? ill be sure to tell the ****roachs that... Without dna to drive the cells what the can become is indetermiate, u could grow it in to an ear, or just a random organ, hell you could regrow a spine with it (its been done).Quote:
You're taking what I said to the extreme. It doesn't matter to me how alive or not alive the baby is at conception it's the fact that it will eventually become a child. You think of it as a useless cell, I think of it as a human being with rights.
A stem cell has a very wide range of possibltys, at this time it could quite easly be ANYTHING.
Faith and belife are irrelivant, you can belive the world is flat and that a fetus is a human being, yet in reality both remain untrue "/ althogh its your life feel free to delude yourself and refuse to accept the reality presented to you.Quote:
I realize I wouldn't be getting pregnant and it us ultimately the woman's choice, as I already mentioned, but if that's my child I'd do everything I could to stop it from being killed. I'm sorry if you feel that they're not a person, but my faith has taught me to believe they are, and I strongly agree with it.
My idea? You're putting words in my mouth. I never said that every single sperm that doesn't make a baby and dies is murder, all i care about is when they join together to create the child. I understand that sperm and eggs are wasted before they actually create a child, but I don't consider that murder, I consider it murder when they create the cell and someone destroys it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
I get what you're saying, but the cell growing in the woman isn't going to grow into just an ear or a random organ, it's going to form a human being, there's a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
You saying you think the fetus isn't a human being and me saying it is is the same thing, we both have different views on them. I don't think it's untrue but that's my opinion, and I don't think you should bash it just because you don't believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
Exactly. That's what pro-choice runs on. If you dont believe it, dont have an abortion, simple as that. Dont bash it just because you dont believe in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by :dallsgreen
To entor, Yes it's possible to create a child without the sperm but a few generations down our whole society would be wiped out by disease as without the sperm cell with it's vital information we'd be susceptable to many harmfull things that we were immune to before.
Lock me up, I'm a mass murderer.Quote:
men murder a few million every time they jack off
Completely agree with Mister Mentor, it's not a true living being until it can think for itself, which as I said previously is about 7 weeks after conception. If you think it's alive because of its potential then consider condoms, the Pill, all other contraceptive methods and even abstinence as being murder. Abortion is just a late way of preventing a birth.
Off topic:
As for the foetus having "rights", I don't believe in rights. Any right you can think of infringes on someone elses rights, so they don't work, eg: the right to equal opportunities infringes on an employer's right to be racist/sexist/ageist.
Does anyone else find it ironic when people bomb abortion clinics?
The excuses for people who kill abortion doctors are usually like "I killed one person to save many", not realising that if we get rid of certified doctors then women will go to some alleyway for a coathanger up her.