Columbine High School Massacre

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28-12-2006, 12:51 PM
RyaREXIC

Columbine High School Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

I know it's old, but when it was actually on the news etc, I didn't really get much about it, I just sorta knew that one day some kids went in school and killed people, but i actually just read about it, and it's discusting. If you actually read about the actually Massacre that took place, it's just grostesque on how someone could do such horrible things to other people because of what they dressed like. They even shot a girl in the head because she was holding a bible, along with targetting people because they were popular, I know I hate the popular people in my school, but I wouldn't even wish that to happen to my worst enemy. What are your views on this?
28-12-2006, 01:05 PM
allykin

i've never been fans of the popular kids as in
only a few like the really "im the best and stuff" and look at me and really rude im good friends with most of them because there nice and dont act like a popular kid whos rude annoying and full of themself.
But to kill one?
no... They'll hopefully be more mature in there future and if there not i certaintly hope they have no life.
That sounded tad dread s'pose but if there like what they are today then you know its like you have no life ;@
28-12-2006, 01:09 PM
Mentor

These are people from a countary that doesnt see a link between guns and gun crime "/
28-12-2006, 01:09 PM
allykin

;oooo seriously?
28-12-2006, 01:11 PM
RyaREXIC

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

These are people from a countary that doesnt see a link between guns and gun crime "/

USA.
......
28-12-2006, 06:04 PM
RedStratocas

Quote:

Originally Posted by allykin

i've never been fans of the popular kids as in
only a few like the really "im the best and stuff" and look at me and really rude im good friends with most of them because there nice and dont act like a popular kid whos rude annoying and full of themself.
But to kill one?
no... They'll hopefully be more mature in there future and if there not i certaintly hope they have no life.
That sounded tad dread s'pose but if there like what they are today then you know its like you have no life ;@

Uh, they didnt just shoot people because they were popular? Its not that simple.
28-12-2006, 07:21 PM
Mentor

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedStratocas

Uh, they didnt just shoot people because they were popular? Its not that simple.

Actualy the pretty much did, Although theres all the phycology due to the bullying, gang identifys and such, they aim primary sumed up to targeting the "popular" people.
28-12-2006, 07:51 PM
Kymux

Oh my god. I cant find a word for those guys..
28-12-2006, 09:00 PM
RedStratocas

Quote:

Originally Posted by 01101101entor

Actualy the pretty much did, Although theres all the phycology due to the bullying, gang identifys and such, they aim primary sumed up to targeting the "popular" people.

Yes, but they didnt kill them because they were popular, popular people were the ones whol bullied them.
28-12-2006, 10:33 PM
manga21

I read a whole report on wiki they were killing people if they belived in god as well . they just shot anyone there plan was to bomb the cafe then as the people ran out the school they was jsut going to shoot them but the bombs didnt go off.
28-12-2006, 10:35 PM
Swastika

Wow, pretty good read.
Carnt believe they did that.
28-12-2006, 10:51 PM
Re101

I think those kids must of been influenced by somebody.
28-12-2006, 10:52 PM
RedStratocas

Everyone blamed Marilyn Manson. Which was stupid.
28-12-2006, 11:42 PM
allykin

wow think i wanna leave school quick
Might spread and get worse?
28-12-2006, 11:45 PM
Sammeth.

He got took to court for it, because his lyrics were influential to it. But they werent, twas stupid.

It was a good read on Wiki, and it got me thinking whether you are born with the desire to kill or it is nurture that brings you up that way? In there case I think it was nurture.

And Redstratocas - previously when they were saying "They murdered them just because they were popular". They was a reference to the people they wre murdering, not to Eric Hall and Dylan Klebold.
29-12-2006, 01:32 AM
RedStratocas

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Originally Posted by .:.:.Sammeth.:.:.

And Redstratocas - previously when they were saying "They murdered them just because they were popular". They was a reference to the people they wre murdering, not to Eric Hall and Dylan Klebold.

Uh... Too many they's. I dont know which they you are talking about. There are 2 theys in that sentence:

They murdered them just because they were popular

Sooooo....

All I was saying is that they didnt say "Those kids are popular, let's murder them", they were bullied by people who happened to be popular.
29-12-2006, 05:30 AM
RyaREXIC

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Originally Posted by .:.:.Sammeth.:.:.

He got took to court for it, because his lyrics were influential to it. But they werent, twas stupid.

Im a really big Manson fan, and here I admit, the song 'The Nobodies' is about the High School Massacre. If you listen to the lyrics closely you'll notice what it means.

"Were the nobodies, want to be somebodies"
"When they're dead, they'll know just who we are"
29-12-2006, 07:18 AM
Ekalb

My school was involved in a presentation by the father of the first girl killed by the 2 boys. How she had predicted she would die young, how her drawings and writings had affected many people who never knew anything about her.
He told very interesting stories, one involving a man who saw his daughters eyes, crying and the tears growing into a rose. About a week later he finally got his daughters packback from the sherif's office and when he looked in it he saw a drawing of two eyes, crying 13 tears (The number of people killed in the massacre) that grew into a rose.

It was a very inspirational talk and many were in tears.

Btw it was apparently influenced by Hitler (It happened his birthday) and there was something in there about Mariyln Manson too.
29-12-2006, 07:44 AM
RyaREXIC

Not sure about the Hitler thing, but Marilyn Manson didn't influence it in anyway, just wrote a song about it AFTER it had happened.
29-12-2006, 08:08 AM
Sammeth.

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Originally Posted by RedStratocas

All I was saying is that they didnt say "Those kids are popular, let's murder them", they were bullied by people who happened to be popular.

Thats what I was getting at.....I think....hmmm.....

There are many reasons for how it was influenced etc etc. I guess no one will really know.
29-12-2006, 08:32 AM
Ekalb

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Originally Posted by Shoot

Not sure about the Hitler thing, but Marilyn Manson didn't influence it in anyway, just wrote a song about it AFTER it had happened.

I think in the presentation it talked about them praising/worshipping hitler and it did happen on his birthday.
29-12-2006, 08:50 AM
HUGECOOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoot

Im a really big Manson fan, and here I admit, the song 'The Nobodies' is about the High School Massacre. If you listen to the lyrics closely you'll notice what it means.

"Were the nobodies, want to be somebodies"
"When they're dead, they'll know just who we are"

That's pretty much describing a flaw in society, where if someone wants to be recognized, they have to be immortalized by the media, but to get there, extreme measures must be taken. The song itself is about the Grimm's brothers story Hansel and Gretel (if you've seen the music video.) It basically shows how these fairy tales are actually very dark and morbid (when looked at objectively) even though they're masquaraded as children's stories. Most of these stories involve crimes that in the real world would guarantee life in prison or another punishment of that extremity, and how America teaches their children these stories but go into shock when the kids grow up and act out the crimes in the real world, blaming everything else but the upbringing the children received.

Also, the 'T' Marilyn Manson wears during the Holywood era (and on your signature) represents the Tau cross, symbolic of his innoncence and the unjust and inaccurate blames laid on him. The whole album was a retaliation against the media.
29-12-2006, 09:40 AM
RyaREXIC

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Originally Posted by SEXYDEATH

That's pretty much describing a flaw in society, where if someone wants to be recognized, they have to be immortalized by the media, but to get there, extreme measures must be taken. The song itself is about the Grimm's brothers story Hansel and Gretel (if you've seen the music video.) It basically shows how these fairy tales are actually very dark and morbid (when looked at objectively) even though they're masquaraded as children's stories. Most of these stories involve crimes that in the real world would guarantee life in prison or another punishment of that extremity, and how America teaches their children these stories but go into shock when the kids grow up and act out the crimes in the real world, blaming everything else but the upbringing the children received.

Also, the 'T' Marilyn Manson wears during the Holywood era (and on your signature) represents the Tau cross, symbolic of his innoncence and the unjust and inaccurate blames laid on him. The whole album was a retaliation against the media.

:), eventually someone on this forum actually knows about Manson, most people just think he's some grotesque singer famous for his music. Although it's not just his music that is amazing. I for one like him for How his song actually mean something unlike most bands today. Also if you have ever heard or read his speeches, they are actually amazing. Also his artwork is amazing too. I know im using the word amazing too much, but he just is. :).

Also Im pretty sure the Nobodies was about the High school Massarce, as on his DVD it explains what most of the songs / videos are about and it says that the massarce did influence some of the lyrics, also about what you wrote above. Therefore resulting in him going to court, which I think was pathetic.