You DO need a license to broadcast/steam music online!

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26-01-2007, 11:26 AM
Tomm

You DO need a license to broadcast/steam music online!

Email from MCPS-PRS (http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/)

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Hi Tom, If you are using our members' repertoire of works online in any sense you need to be licensed by us and in some cases report the usage to us. We offer two licences to cover online radio transmission. The first is for low level/non profit/hobby businesses, called a LOEL (Limited Online Exploitation Licence). The amount of streaming hours and gross annual revenue is capped/restricted for this licence. As the 2007 LOEL licence is still in the process of being finalised, and hopefully implemented by next week, I will quote you rates from the 2006 LOEL licence, as a guideline. The gross annual revenue for 2006 was capped at £4250. Please have a look at the 2006 LOEL scheme summary to get a better idea, which is attached. If your business exceeds the limitations within the LOEL then you will need to apply for a JOL (Joint Online Licence) which charges 8% of gross annual revenue. Both licences are joint blanket licenses and covers the mechanical copyright and the performing right. You will also need to clear the sound recording right with PPL (Phonographic Performance Limited) on 0207 534 1000 - Matt McAleer. If you are launching your service in 2007 I can send you the information as the rates and limitations have changed. Please advise me and I will forward on the relevant information to you. You can also have a look at our website which will explain all of this in further detail. If you have any more questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. Regards, Pam Singh Parmjit Singh l Online & Mobile Advisor l Online Licensing MCPS PRS Alliance l 29-33 Berners St l London W1T 3AB e: [email protected] tel: +44 (0)20 7306 4401 fax: +44 (0) 20 7306 4347 Visit our website è www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk
26-01-2007, 11:36 AM
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Nice find tom, now that'll probably stop the amount of radios around online xD
26-01-2007, 11:48 AM
bad-dj

well

cool thats is a good find but hows it for for AU if thats on a UK site :S
26-01-2007, 12:27 PM
Agnostic Bear

It's a load of crap, no-one regulates UK online radio, just tight people regulates other countries radio :P
Therefore you DON'T need an online radio license.

Edit: Apparently they have a fake deal on with the BBC, as the BBC regulates itself....
Edit: ***, apparently they think you need a license to make a CD-ROM, what a load of crap.
26-01-2007, 12:39 PM
Tomm

Well...

I was told by Ofcom to contact these people..

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Hi Tom Can I suggest, as this is not really our remit, that you contact these three organisations as a starter place .... PRS, PPL and MCPS. Here are the addresses.... http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/ and http://www.ppluk.com/ Both have contact areas. Hope that helps Martin Campbell :: Martin Campbell Chief Advisor, Radio Direct Line - 020 7981 3850 [email protected] :: Ofcom Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA 020 7981 3000 www.ofcom.org.uk
26-01-2007, 02:50 PM
RNelson

How much are licenses?
26-01-2007, 04:02 PM
Tomm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RNelson

How much are licenses?

£200 + VAT per year for a Band A license
£400 + VAT per year for a Band B license

NOTE: These are for none profit sites only.
26-01-2007, 05:07 PM
Agnostic Bear

Well I'm working indirectly with the BBC (for an online radio) and we haven't needed a license, so either they have our backs covered, or ofcom is gay
26-01-2007, 05:10 PM
F32

lol@ this crap.
26-01-2007, 05:20 PM
Agnostic Bear

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeoro

lol@ this crap.

What crap mr crappyity crappage?
=D
26-01-2007, 05:22 PM
ScottDiamond

Lol... ?
26-01-2007, 05:28 PM
Luckyrare

To broadcast music it has to be delt via the record company. Since they do get paid from each time their artist song is played. It isnt a matter of paying £xxxx a year and legaly been able to brandcast all songs.
26-01-2007, 07:32 PM
Lycan

Liences are just royality coverage. and just so the preteens here no, it isn't 'crappy' , copyright music must have a lience owned by the radio owner for there 'djs' to play music, the payment the radio owner places covers the royalitys.

this is not enforced enough tho, it is tricky because the company maybe registered in one country, the servers in another (some countries don't use the royality system) and the clients in another.

overall guys... you do actually need a radio lience. and if anyone wants to argue you don't

google it and search for your countries laws on the broadcasting on copyright music on the web.

you can tho play uncopyrighted music for example, your local bands music or your own... or perhaps verbal recordings
26-01-2007, 07:34 PM
F32

what are they going to do?

they have done nothing yet, look how many habbo radios there are :rolleyes:
26-01-2007, 08:22 PM
Josh-H

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Originally Posted by Xeoro

what are they going to do?

they have done nothing yet, look how many habbo radios there are :rolleyes:

Habbo radio's are most likely about 0.1% of the amount of online radios though. So its not a large number when compared on a large scale.
26-01-2007, 08:23 PM
F32

I'd say they're quite a huge chunk of unofficial 'radios'
26-01-2007, 08:42 PM
Josh-H

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeoro

I'd say they're quite a huge chunk of unofficial 'radios'

No thats where you are wrong.

Habbo fansites are such a small amount of online sites. Its puny.
26-01-2007, 09:03 PM
MrChaz

Yeah when you think about it. You guys are all like pirate radios.

xD
26-01-2007, 09:05 PM
F32

It's not the "radio" that gets 'done' for it - it's the host/supplier/company.

Don't they have to have the thing and not each individual site?
26-01-2007, 09:19 PM
ZAG

Online radio stations (like all thse stupid Habbo Hotel ones) are pointless anyway. Its much faster to download the song you want, then request for it to be played on an internet radio station.
26-01-2007, 09:25 PM
F32

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Originally Posted by Th0m4s

Online radio stations (like all thse stupid Habbo Hotel ones) are pointless anyway. Its much faster to download the song you want, then request for it to be played on an internet radio station.

Totally missed the point of this thread and life.
26-01-2007, 09:38 PM
ZAG

Yeah I just re read my post and realised it had nothing to do with it.

Anyway, this wont stop many - if any - radio stations from broadcasting. They wont monitor any stations. Nothings happened before has it?
27-01-2007, 09:44 AM
Mentor

Put simply... YES you do. and it costs a bloody lot.

Although thats in the UK, in the US you can avoid it under small busness ledgislation, although this requres a little effort on the user part. Other conutrys im not 100% on, so its best to look up the legiation in the contary your useing, before you try.
27-01-2007, 09:55 AM
alexxxxx

I've been saying this for AGES. YOU DO NEED A LICENCE. I got so much Bad Rep when I made a thread like this.
27-01-2007, 10:00 AM
Dan!

Band A is fm and band B is AM

that would mean Sulake are not carry out there job as a company if they allow offical fansite with out radio licenses.
27-01-2007, 10:02 AM
Blob

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Originally Posted by mikemarks

Band A is fm and band B is AM so therefor it dont matter to online radio

if you have over a 1,000 people tune in you need one this what i was told went to a bbc radio one tour of radio 1 :P

Never, I thought you would go on a radio one tour and visit radio three?
27-01-2007, 10:09 AM
Dan!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snail

Never, I thought you would go on a radio one tour and visit radio three?

i went to see there studio's at radio 1 :P
27-01-2007, 10:12 AM
Blob

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemarks

i went to see there studio's at radio 1 :P

Lol xD

Anyway, why do you have to have a license if you brought the song in the first place..?
27-01-2007, 10:15 AM
Samster

Of course you need a license,there's just so many shoutcast radios that they can't control the situation
27-01-2007, 10:16 AM
alexxxxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snail

Lol xD

Anyway, why do you have to have a license if you brought the song in the first place..?

It's a licence to broadcast the music. If you buy a piece of music it does not mean you can do whatever you like with it. The music is still 'owned' by the artist/record label that created it.