WE NEED TO KEEP FIGHTING!

Don't let them win, make them listen to us!
What MAD has done is extremely bad and we need to keep fighting!

Thanks for that contrabition.

who r u

God this isn't a Martin Luther King rally.

But you have a point, we should start a signature saying bring catzsy back ;]

He has a point.

Yep, this thread was needed :rolleyes: Whats wrong with posting in the other thread?

The Management are just to scared to fire someone, Fire MAD.

Why fire mad for getting rid of two staff members who have done something none of us know, GET A GRIP ++_++_+_+£"+£_+*_+&_+$£

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Originally Posted by Earthquake

Why fire mad for getting rid of two staff members who have done something none of us know, GET A GRIP ++_++_+_+£"+£_+*_+&_+$£

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No, not just because of that.
Fire Mad because he is ignorant, ignores users, has no Manager skills, disrespects users, fires innocent staff, is bias towards people, runs the forum badly and basically just does not know what he is doing.

I agree, things like this often die down after the inital gossip. To make change you need to be relentless, so this thread is making an extremely valid point :).

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Originally Posted by Smiley1

No, not just because of that.
Fire Mad because he is ignorant, ignores users, has no Manager skills, disrespects users, fires innocent staff, is bias towards people, runs the forum badly and basically just does not know what he is doing.

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It is Sierk's job to find out if any of this is happening.

LEAVE IT!

How many threads is it going to take before you realise that MAD is not going to get fired.

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Exactly, I do not want this to die down either it needs to be sorted out.

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Originally Posted by Cheekykarl

It is Sierk's job to find out if any of this is happening.

LEAVE IT!

How many threads is it going to take before you realise that MAD is not going to get fired.

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I don't think he should be fired, but I don't think he should remain as Forum Manager.

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Originally Posted by Garion

I don't think he should be fired, but I don't think he should remain as Forum Manager.

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When he was hired as Assistant Forum Manager, I told sierk and 8Freak8 over and over again that I do not want him to, because like you I felt he would be much better as a technician. I actually told them to promote MAD to a Forum Technician because he is good at that, but they did not listen to me and just hired him anyway. I was actually looking for MAD because, no offence, he is not (in my opinion, feel free to disagree) the best of Managers, but he is a brilliant technician.

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Originally Posted by A4AOwen

When he was hired as Assistant Forum Manager, I told sierk and 8Freak8 over and over again that I do not want him to, because like you I felt he would be much better as a technician. I actually told them to promote MAD to a Forum Technician because he is good at that, but they did not listen to me and just hired him anyway. I was actually looking for MAD because, no offence, he is not (in my opinion, feel free to disagree) the best of Managers, but he is a brilliant technician.

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I totally agree, perhaps if they would have listened to you then this would not be happening now!

Habbox listen? you must be DAFT lol

yeh he should just be a forum technician. not be involved with staff.

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Originally Posted by Garion

I don't think he should be fired, but I don't think he should remain as Forum Manager.

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Well if it was a real company with a vote of no confidence in the managing director and 11 out of 14 voted "No confidence" with 3 abstentions then the managing director would be out. No arguement. This is Habbox though and despite all my loyalty, hardwork and hopes that he would see the light, he never could. Even faced with 85% of his staff telling him this, he couldn't. In fact a blind man can see more than he can on staff management. But as he says 'A Forum's Manager's job is not to be popular' it is to get the work done. Cue my Dicken's novel or asian sweatshop article

The other difficulty is that Sierk is reliant on somebody technical and quite honesly doesn't know how he runs the forum because superficially Mad can come over as quite a caring person and Sierk is not really involved from day -to-day. I think it is a case of Mad having Sierk over a barrel, figuratively speaking.

Anyway, Garion, I am truly sorry that you have also chosen to resign because
you were an incredible Smod and I know that the forum members will miss you terribly. :(

I do think that the forum is now starting to go down hill with lots of cool staff leaving :(

But im having mixed feelings about Mad atm.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Well if it was a real company with a vote of no confidence in the managing director and 11 out of 14 voted "No confidence" with 3 abstentions then the managing director would be out. No arguement. This is Habbox though and despite all my loyalty, hardwork and hopes that he would see the light, he never could. Even faced with 85% of his staff telling him this, he couldn't. In fact a blind man can see more than he can on staff management. But as he says 'A Forum's Manager's job is not to be popular' it is to get the work done. Cue my Dicken's novel or asian sweatshop article

The other difficulty is that Sierk is reliant on somebody technical and quite honesly doesn't know how he runs the forum because superficially Mad can come over as quite a caring person and Sierk is not really involved from day -to-day. I think it is a case of Mad having Sierk over a barrel, figuratively speaking.

Anyway, Garion, I am truly sorry that you have also chosen to resign because
you were an incredible Smod and I know that the forum members will miss you terribly. :(

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Yes that is very true, it is amazing how nothing has been done yet. It seems even MAD cannot see the truth.
You knew I was going to resign if you went, and I am confident that was the right choice :)!

Keep fighting, we want to be heard!

righttttttttt.

If you are mad at Habbox you cant just tell them to do stuff.

If you dont like it then go to another forum.

That will prove a point.

Catzsy's leave has been a horrible loss to this forum. This forum was getting bad enough as it was. now for the forum, i think that it all started with the whole samo, holoboy thing. When undertaker got fired it was a death sentance from there

to Catszy I hope you go on and have a good life and sucess, cause your a great person

Mad should step down.

I'd like to hear Sierk's view on this.

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Originally Posted by Carlos

I'd like to hear Sierk's view on this.

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Me to!

We really do need to keep fighting. This is out of hand.

I hate whats going on, I hate getting banned, unbanned, posting, banned!

Drives me nuts.

I want to know what Sierk and 8freak8 thinks.

There is nothing wrong with MAD's management of the forum, he will not be sacked.

MAD spends a lot of time dealing with both staff and technical issues on the forum, and neither are below the standard that should be expected from him. The forums are normally fully moderated, and the moderators who he hires are hired fairly. The moderation rules that only Forum Moderators can see are concise and comprehensive, something which MAD done with the help of the Forum Mods. There are many new systems put in place by MAD to make it both simpler for mods to deal with things, however also there has been an increase in "paperwork" for mods.

Allowing MAD to run the staff, moderation and technical side of the forum is crucial - because it is a combination of all 3 which has led to this improved system for the moderators.

MAD is grateful to his staff, as much as any other manager is and as much as I think any manager needs to be (and since our staff are volunteers it is important to show we're grateful).

It is important that staff follow our hierachy. They must accept that the lowest rank in their dept., will have less influence on the forum but can still contribute. Higher ranks have more influence.

On Habbox we allow staff to express their opinions, just like many other organisations allow staff to express their opinions. However, complete insubordination is simply not allowed because it would make it impossible for us to run Habbox.

I honestly believe that MAD has done nothing wrong which deserves all of this fuss. This has simply happened because some staff (or ex-staff) are acting out of their place and stirring things up.

In real life you will not be fired for expressing your opinion. You will be fired for calling for your manager to be fired.

It is important that you know, MAD will absolutely not be fired because he does not deserve to be fired or demoted because he has done nothing wrong.

If you want to carry on protesting and stirring things up then go ahead (as long as it's within the rules), however I really think you should listen to me saying that he does not deserve it.

Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by 8Freak8

There is nothing wrong with MAD's management of the forum, he will not be sacked.

MAD spends a lot of time dealing with both staff and technical issues on the forum, and neither are below the standard that should be expected from him. The forums are normally fully moderated, and the moderators who he hires are hired fairly. The moderation rules that only Forum Moderators can see are concise and comprehensive, something which MAD done with the help of the Forum Mods. There are many new systems put in place by MAD to make it both simpler for mods to deal with things, however also there has been an increase in "paperwork" for mods.

Allowing MAD to run the staff, moderation and technical side of the forum is crucial - because it is a combination of all 3 which has led to this improved system for the moderators.

MAD is grateful to his staff, as much as any other manager is and as much as I think any manager needs to be (and since our staff are volunteers it is important to show we're grateful).

It is important that staff follow our hierachy. They must accept that the lowest rank in their dept., will have less influence on the forum but can still contribute. Higher ranks have more influence.

On Habbox we allow staff to express their opinions, just like many other organisations allow staff to express their opinions. However, complete insubordination is simply not allowed because it would make it impossible for us to run Habbox.

I honestly believe that MAD has done nothing wrong which deserves all of this fuss. This has simply happened because some staff (or ex-staff) are acting out of their place and stirring things up.

In real life you will not be fired for expressing your opinion. You will be fired for calling for your manager to be fired.

It is important that you know, MAD will absolutely not be fired because he does not deserve to be fired or demoted because he has done nothing wrong.

If you want to carry on protesting and stirring things up then go ahead (as long as it's within the rules), however I really think you should listen to me saying that he does not deserve it.

Thanks :)

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I respect your opinion, your management so I really cannot say anything. I have no clue why I was banned again, I didn't post anything against any higher management except Sierk needs to open his eyes and listen.

Thats not bad?

No ex-staff are stirring things up, you may see that none of those ex-staff that were fired or left created these threads, members did

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Originally Posted by Lozzoling

God this isn't a Martin Luther King rally.

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I HAVE A DREAM!

THAT DREAM IS TO get MAD fired and get Dan (who resigned because of mad's unfairness) Catzsy and garion back

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Originally Posted by Eye!

I HAVE A DREAM!

THAT DREAM IS TO get MAD fired and get Dan (who resigned because of mad's unfairness) Catzsy and garion back

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so agreed

Stop milking trends Smiley.

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Originally Posted by 8Freak8

There is nothing wrong with MAD's management of the forum, he will not be sacked.

MAD spends a lot of time dealing with both staff and technical issues on the forum, and neither are below the standard that should be expected from him. The forums are normally fully moderated, and the moderators who he hires are hired fairly. The moderation rules that only Forum Moderators can see are concise and comprehensive, something which MAD done with the help of the Forum Mods. There are many new systems put in place by MAD to make it both simpler for mods to deal with things, however also there has been an increase in "paperwork" for mods.

Allowing MAD to run the staff, moderation and technical side of the forum is crucial - because it is a combination of all 3 which has led to this improved system for the moderators.

MAD is grateful to his staff, as much as any other manager is and as much as I think any manager needs to be (and since our staff are volunteers it is important to show we're grateful).

It is important that staff follow our hierachy. They must accept that the lowest rank in their dept., will have less influence on the forum but can still contribute. Higher ranks have more influence.

On Habbox we allow staff to express their opinions, just like many other organisations allow staff to express their opinions. However, complete insubordination is simply not allowed because it would make it impossible for us to run Habbox.

I honestly believe that MAD has done nothing wrong which deserves all of this fuss. This has simply happened because some staff (or ex-staff) are acting out of their place and stirring things up.

In real life you will not be fired for expressing your opinion. You will be fired for calling for your manager to be fired.

It is important that you know, MAD will absolutely not be fired because he does not deserve to be fired or demoted because he has done nothing wrong.

If you want to carry on protesting and stirring things up then go ahead (as long as it's within the rules), however I really think you should listen to me saying that he does not deserve it.

Thanks :)

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None of the moderation staff called for ---MAD--- to be fired, so explain why they got the axe if what you say in your post is true?

I didn't say they did call for him to be fired. So far nobody has been fired for calling for him to resign or be fired.

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I didn't say they did call for him to be fired. So far nobody has been fired for calling for him to resign or be fired.

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So explain why :Hazel and SuperStar where fired then please? As this doesnt seem to add up.

Also is that bit in bold a hint?

The thread that kicked all this off didn't even call for him to be fired, it simply suggested that if he has Habbox Forum in his best interest he will step down from his position as Forum Manager, still keeping all his other jobs.

They suggested him being Techie instead

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I didn't say they did call for him to be fired. So far nobody has been fired for calling for him to resign or be fired.

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Why would they ever be?

It's everyones right within a democracy to say whether or not they believe someone should perhaps step down from their position.

Fair enough, it may create a bit of tension between the two - but people who say George Bush should step down don't get "fired" do they...

Edit: Sorry penguin but whos side are you on now? You went from supporting to Catzsy to sucking up to mad... now it would appear your perhaps on catzsys side again?

More faces than a 50 pence peice...

Even mods dont know why staff are gettin fired? explain?