General Election 2010

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Leader: Gordon Brown
Current Position: Her Majestys Government


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Leader: David Cameron
Current Position: Her Majestys Opposition

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Leader: Nick Clegg
Current Position: Third largest party in United Kingdom.

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(Best poll I could find)

Basically the question is, not who do you support but who do you think will win the next General Election which has to be held at the latest; in 2010. This is not a question of who you support/want to win - but who you think will win.

Personally I think the Conservatives and I can't wait until the curtain finally falls on this failure of a government, like all Labour Governments.

Labour.

if gordon gets us out of this economic meltdown then the polls will turn and labour will be leading the way

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

if gordon gets us out of this economic meltdown then the polls will turn and labour will be leading the way

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Doubt it, after all he was the one who sold most of our gold in 1997 for cheap prices, who has put the state in debt and is continuing to do so. I never worked out why Labour managed to win in 2005 either, especially after the disgrace of the Iraq War.

I just hope for the countries sake we get this government out and get a Conservative government in who will hopefully (like they did in 1979) come in fix the country again.

Its obvious people are looking at Brown, what he's done, shaking their head and turning to Cameron.

In the Daily Mail, they said that Cameron was a "prime minister in waiting"

So I'm betting Conservatives will get to power.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Doubt it, after all he was the one who sold most of our gold in 1997 for cheap prices, who has put the state in debt and is continuing to do so. I never worked out why Labour managed to win in 2005 either, especially after the disgrace of the Iraq War.

I just hope for the countries sake we get this government out and get a Conservative government in who will hopefully (like they did in 1979) come in fix the country again.

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You're right but sadly this isn't common knowledge, if all electorates thought like us and knew this then I'd be 100% sure that Labour wouldn't win :P

The reason Labour won the 2005 election was because Michael Howard spent too long in his campaign criticising and attacking Labour continually rather than actually promoting his policies. I worry that this might happen again as David Cameron has showed that he's very good at debating with the PM during PM Questions but lets hope he makes some decent policies, doesn't get scared away from topics such as the EU and immigration and most importantly, makes us aware of his parties policies.

And two other reasons they won the election were the Tories were no better as they too supported the war in Iraq but the main thing is The Sun won the election for Labour. People don't just read the news in this country, they believe it and follow it. The Sun (and The Times and presumably more papers) encouraged people to vote Labour in the elections and gave biased news in the run-up to the general elections therefore 'swaying' their readers.

The Sun, The Times and Sky are all part of Rupert Murdoch's media enterprise and basically Tony Blair favoured Sky in some of his decisions and in return, the media group favoured Labour during the General Election. An example of this was the government giving the contract to watch Cricket on TV to Sky Sports.

The media dictates Politics in this country therefore I'm not sure on who will win the next election and although everyone's saying Gordon Brown is shocking I wouldn't rule him out at all.

I wouldn't mind a new Prime Minister, but seriously, Cameron?
The guy who needs a trike to get into work and needs his MP's to tie his laces?
That Cameron? :lol:

Conservatives need to get in to power, get labour out and fix up the country.

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Originally Posted by Jewish Bear

Conservatives need to get in to power, get labour out and fix up the country.

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their leader certainly won't be using public transport to get there!

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Originally Posted by Jordy

You're right but sadly this isn't common knowledge, if all electorates thought like us and knew this then I'd be 100% sure that Labour wouldn't win :P

The reason Labour won the 2005 election was because Michael Howard spent too long in his campaign criticising and attacking Labour continually rather than actually promoting his policies. I worry that this might happen again as David Cameron has showed that he's very good at debating with the PM during PM Questions but lets hope he makes some decent policies, doesn't get scared away from topics such as the EU and immigration and most importantly, makes us aware of his parties policies.

And two other reasons they won the election were the Tories were no better as they too supported the war in Iraq but the main thing is The Sun won the election for Labour. People don't just read the news in this country, they believe it and follow it. The Sun (and The Times and presumably more papers) encouraged people to vote Labour in the elections and gave biased news in the run-up to the general elections therefore 'swaying' their readers.

The Sun, The Times and Sky are all part of Rupert Murdoch's media enterprise and basically Tony Blair favoured Sky in some of his decisions and in return, the media group favoured Labour during the General Election. An example of this was the government giving the contract to watch Cricket on TV to Sky Sports.

The media dictates Politics in this country therefore I'm not sure on who will win the next election and although everyone's saying Gordon Brown is shocking I wouldn't rule him out at all.

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I thought Michael Howards campaign was smoothly run, after all he did increase the Conservatives popularity and number of seats considerably and did increase number of votes for Conservatives which nearly matched up to Labour in polls. Yes your right though, Labour are excellent spin doctors the way they operate.

Tories were no better, but then again Labour did provide the dodgy dossier which said Saddam Hussein could launch a nuclear attack within 45 minutes; which was an utter lie. As for the newspapers your right again, and especially the BBC I thought were biased in the 2005 General Election towards Labour, after all they are a left-wing leaning organisation and Labour being in power is better than anyone who has anything to do with their ex-enemy, Margaret Thatcher.

He could win sure, but I think if he does I will be so amazed at how anyone can vote these people in again after 11 years of lies, red tape, debt, war and absurd tax. I just want it to end.

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Originally Posted by Jewish Bear

Conservatives need to get in to power, get labour out and fix up the country.

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Couldn't of put it better myself, yet again the Conservatives will have to pick up and repair the broken mess a Labour government has created.

EDIT: In reply to Ardemax, is that another attempt by a Labour supporter to try pass the Conservatives off as toffs? - maybe thats why John Prescott had two jaguars, really working class of him wasn't it?

you can't seriously think david cameron is going to be able to get us out of this recession?

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Originally Posted by Cod

you can't seriously think david cameron is going to be able to get us out of this recession?

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We don't know yet do we.

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Originally Posted by Cod

you can't seriously think david cameron is going to be able to get us out of this recession?

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I'd put more faith in him than the man who sold 60% of our gold reserves when gold prices were at a 20 year low, not to mention the fact he told international markets when he was selling the gold, causing gold prices to plummit before he even sold.

Afterall, who was it in the 1980's who had to correct and save the United Kingdoms economy after years of post-war neglect and the terrible winter of discontent and mis-management of the economy by the Labour government which led to us having to go capin-hand to the IMF.

It was a Margaret Thatcher who saved us, a conservative.

I think (and hope) that the Conservatives will win the next general election.

Conservatives will likely get it because despite most of us only having real memory of a Labour reign, they are the predominant party of Britain and Labour aren't entirely popular at the moment. That said, I don't think it'll make any difference as currently Conservatives aren't very conservative and Labour aren't anywhere near as socialist as they once were - both are far more central and frankly I don't expect too much of a change whoever wins.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Conservatives will likely get it because despite most of us only having real memory of a Labour reign, they are the predominant party of Britain and Labour aren't entirely popular at the moment. That said, I don't think it'll make any difference as currently Conservatives aren't very conservative and Labour aren't anywhere near as socialist as they once were - both are far more central and frankly I don't expect too much of a change whoever wins.

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I agree they are too similar now, but I do think the major difference between Labours socialist stance and a Conservative stance will be government red tape. I think with a Conservative government the erosion of our freedoms and rights will pause, until ultimatley another Labour government gains power again and sets up new databases/bureaucratic laws.

Tories blates. Who would vote for the gelatinous blob we call Prime Minster? The man didn't even win an election...

Also, the government does **** all, it's the civil services that run this country

I looked on the web about how Gordon Brown being the choice of Prime Minister, looks like Tony Blair just left everyone else a month to decide who would be the PM, I think they all pointed at Brown just because he was there.

A couple of months ago, Brown was in talks about holding an early election and refused to do it "because it's pointless", David Cameron replied "he's the only prime minister to ever call off an election because he was afraid he would win it...".

I lol'd.

We'll be out of this "recession" by next year. Hell, what recession? Sure a few shops closed and quite a few people lost jobs but it's no great depression... Things are already beginnign to pick up again

im sorry but if you're actually being serious about david cameron then we may need a chill pill here


how could he get us out of an economic meltdown?

Pffft, like any prime minister would make a difference :/ Looking at the policies (or what were the policies) in the past, they were all the same, just worded differently. I really do not know who to vote for, candidates seem to argue amongst themselves rather than address their policies and what they will change - They never clearly state what they will do, they just let the voters pick up the points in scrambled arguments.
Not forgetting how the UK sits as far as EU policies seem to go. Whoever is elected would have to follow EU regulations making seperate parties pretty much void of opinions and policies. You may aswell vote for who has the best voice or looks sexiest, because that's about as much use as you can get :/

/moan over

Cool you voting for me then Ryan

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Cool you voting for me then Ryan

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unless im in for the running :eusa_hand

Tories, hopefully.

They might be able to apply some common sense that hasn't been seen in parliament for a while now.

Tories will, but I doubt they will get longer then one term in office. I personally don't want a bunch of out of touch s**** running our country, who still havn't proven that they could do any better than the Conservatives at running our country.

With the current problems with the economy, uneducated people who ain't got a clue about politics or the economy look for someone to blame, and that man is Gordon Brown unfortunatly.

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Originally Posted by Frodo13.

Tories will, but I doubt they will get longer then one term in office. I personally don't want a bunch of out of touch s**** running our country, who still havn't proven that they could do any better than the Conservatives at running our country.

With the current problems with the economy, uneducated people who ain't got a clue about politics or the economy look for someone to blame, and that man is Gordon Brown unfortunatly.

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I know Tories will win, but cameron? He's not going to do a better job.

i've changed my mind now. although there's not much chance of it, i actually wouldn't mind the lib dems winning. labour wouldn't bother me. if the tories get in then at least everyone could see they aren't the right thing for this country.

With everyone shouting "TORIES FTW!" and "STHU, THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING." I'd just like to point out that we don't have a damn clue what they will do in office. It's obvious that they have a way bigger chance now thanks to the face of Gordon Brown all over the Labour party - but Labour still has some better policies than Tories.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

I know Tories will win, but cameron? He's not going to do a better job.

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Sorry, I meant they havn't proven they will do a better job then Labour. As I said, the only reason people will vote Conservative is because they blame politicans for things that are out of their control, such as the recession.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I never worked out why Labour managed to win in 2005 either, especially after the disgrace of the Iraq War.

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Labour managed to win in 2005 due to nobody trusting the Tories.
The problem is they did as much bad as they did good in their what was it? 17 years in power? It's hard for some people to forgive

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Originally Posted by Cod

you can't seriously think david cameron is going to be able to get us out of this recession?

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No single leader or party is going to get us out of the recession.
After all it's a worldwide economic crisis, what's it gonna be DC SAVES THE WORLD? I don't think so...

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Conservatives will likely get it because despite most of us only having real memory of a Labour reign, they are the predominant party of Britain and Labour aren't entirely popular at the moment. That said, I don't think it'll make any difference as currently Conservatives aren't very conservative and Labour aren't anywhere near as socialist as they once were - both are far more central and frankly I don't expect too much of a change whoever wins.

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Too true they very similar, however if the Tories got in I do think people would want Labour back.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I agree they are too similar now, but I do think the major difference between Labours socialist stance and a Conservative stance will be government red tape. I think with a Conservative government the erosion of our freedoms and rights will pause, until ultimatley another Labour government gains power again and sets up new databases/bureaucratic laws.

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And no doubt they will lose these databases on trains :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Frodo13.

Sorry, I meant they havn't proven they will do a better job then Labour. As I said, the only reason people will vote Conservative is because they blame politicans for things that are out of their control, such as the recession.

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Agreed with you there.

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Originally Posted by Cod

i've changed my mind now. although there's not much chance of it, i actually wouldn't mind the lib dems winning. labour wouldn't bother me. if the tories get in then at least everyone could see they aren't the right thing for this country.

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What, and Labour and the Liberal Democrats are? - the partys which opposed Mrs Thatchers econimic reforms which made this country strong and wealthy.

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Originally Posted by Apeel

With everyone shouting "TORIES FTW!" and "STHU, THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING." I'd just like to point out that we don't have a damn clue what they will do in office. It's obvious that they have a way bigger chance now thanks to the face of Gordon Brown all over the Labour party - but Labour still has some better policies than Tories.

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Promises, but ones that are not kept. A good one comes to mind from their manifestos, whiter than white & a referendum on the Libson Treaty - I wonder what happend to those and many other promises.

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Originally Posted by Frodo13.

Sorry, I meant they havn't proven they will do a better job then Labour. As I said, the only reason people will vote Conservative is because they blame politicans for things that are out of their control, such as the recession.

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They proved it in the 1980s by turning a debt ridden, falling to socialism country into a financial capital and wealthy country. It is Labours fault this recession, who sold all of our gold reserves when they were at a 20 year low? - Labour. Who didn't keep any money for a rainy day - Labour.

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Originally Posted by invincible

Labour managed to win in 2005 due to nobody trusting the Tories.
The problem is they did as much bad as they did good in their what was it? 17 years in power? It's hard for some people to forgive

No single leader or party is going to get us out of the recession.
After all it's a worldwide economic crisis, what's it gonna be DC SAVES THE WORLD? I don't think so...

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Labour managed to win in 2005 yes, but with a strong campaign by Michael Howard their popularity was greatly reduced. You think bad is closing the mines and saving this country from going bankrupt? - you need to learn common sense basic economics if that is the case.

David Cameron will have to do what Mrs Thatcher did in the 1970s, reduce spending to fill the national debt black hole which is getting bigger and bigger every second. He will also have to pave the way for us to have extra cash in the future so we can weather any future recessions, which is the opposite to what Labour are doing which is spending and now the recession has hit, we have no money to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

They proved it in the 1980s by turning a debt ridden, falling to socialism country into a financial capital and wealthy country. It is Labours fault this recession, who sold all of our gold reserves when they were at a 20 year low? - Labour. Who didn't keep any money for a rainy day - Labour.

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No, what they did do is lead the country to a complete standstill and sucessfully alienated every single working class person in the country. The sole reason Thatcher lasted one term? Falklands War.

And I also believe it was the Conservative government under John Major who were forced to withdraw the pound from the ERM because they were that incompetent to keep it above its agreed lower limit. The result? Over £800m in trading losses. And before you come out with some rubbish that this was the best thing to happen to the Sterling, if the pound had of remained under the ERM, the UK would have made a £2.4bn profit on the sterlings devaluation. So no, the Conservatives have done naff all to convince me they could save the economy. And when the Conservatives do come to power, and the ecomomy will improve, it won't be down to them, it will be down to the Bank of England (who for a matter of fact, were put in charge of our economy by Labour.)

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Labour managed to win in 2005 due to nobody trusting the Tories.

No single leader or party is going to get us out of the recession.
After all it's a worldwide economic crisis, what's it gonna be DC SAVES THE WORLD? I don't think so...

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Actually that was more the case in 1997. Labour didn't win the election, the Tories just lost it.

And obviously not, but isn't that the main reason everyone wants Gordon Brown out?

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Originally Posted by Cod

Actually that was more the case in 1997. Labour didn't win the election, the Tories just lost it.

And obviously not, but isn't that the main reason everyone wants Gordon Brown out?

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We don't want David Cameron in though.

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We don't want David Cameron in though.

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'We'...?

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'We'...?

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smart people.

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jooooooking, just trollin' :8

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No, what they did do is lead the country to a complete standstill and sucessfully alienated every single working class person in the country. The sole reason Thatcher lasted one term? Falklands War.

And I also believe it was the Conservative government under John Major who were forced to withdraw the pound from the ERM because they were that incompetent to keep it above its agreed lower limit. The result? Over £800m in trading losses. And before you come out with some rubbish that this was the best thing to happen to the Sterling, if the pound had of remained under the ERM, the UK would have made a £2.4bn profit on the sterlings devaluation. So no, the Conservatives have done naff all to convince me they could save the economy. And when the Conservatives do come to power, and the ecomomy will improve, it won't be down to them, it will be down to the Bank of England (who for a matter of fact, were put in charge of our economy by Labour.)

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More socialist rubbish yet again, they saved the working class and made more wealth then ever before, the effects which have been lasting all through Labours term in office. You just cant accept it because your living some fantasy in which the mines are still open and business will not come to the United Kingdom due to high taxes which are high to support useless and non-profit making industry.

I don't know much about the ERM but I would want a independant currency, not some european dream in which the euro would take over the sovereign currencies. That was its aim, to achieve money stability in europe in prepartion for the single currency. We don't want the euro so would would we tie ourselves down to this ERM scheme which again, we have coped with fine without for years. Spectating brought the pound sterling to a collapse that day, and spectating cannot be controlled properly by any government.

As the Labour government has had to appeal to the IMF once, and could well have to do so if it keeps spending the way it is, I would not compare the Conservative record of strong growth, turning a declining economy around and creating new wealth against a party which has made us appeal to the IMF, did nothing to rescue the economy and sold most gold stocks in 1997 - early 000's when they were at a 20 year low, now leaving us with no backup what so ever, thus why we are getting deeper and deeper into a quagmire of debt.

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smart people.

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jooooooking, just trollin' :8

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I lol'd

To the rest of the thread. I just wanted to point out that if we just about fully came under the EU rules and restrictions, you're life would change dramatically. For a start you would have to use the Euro, and for the first couple of months it would be a weak currency and wouldn't be very nice.

But the influence of Britain and our own rules could change the EU itself, and propell the Euro to a powerfuller currency. But really at the end of the day, we're getting screwed over.

For those who can vote, and are going to vote. Use you're common sense when casting your ballot you lucky thieves.

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More socialist rubbish yet again, they saved the working class and made more wealth then ever before, the effects which have been lasting all through Labours term in office. You just cant accept it because your living some fantasy in which the mines are still open and business will not come to the United Kingdom due to high taxes which are high to support useless and non-profit making industry.

I don't know much about the ERM but I would want a independant currency, not some european dream in which the euro would take over the sovereign currencies. That was its aim, to achieve money stability in europe in prepartion for the single currency. We don't want the euro so would would we tie ourselves down to this ERM scheme which again, we have coped with fine without for years. Spectating brought the pound sterling to a collapse that day, and spectating cannot be controlled properly by any government.

As the Labour government has had to appeal to the IMF once, and could well have to do so if it keeps spending the way it is, I would not compare the Conservative record of strong growth, turning a declining economy around and creating new wealth against a party which has made us appeal to the IMF, did nothing to rescue the economy and sold most gold stocks in 1997 - early 000's when they were at a 20 year low, now leaving us with no backup what so ever, thus why we are getting deeper and deeper into a quagmire of debt.

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Thatcher did one thing for the economy, which was privatisation of most publicly owned businesses, which I admit, was her finest hour in some aspects. Then again, privatisation of many places has led to them being compleatly wiped out. However, the boost it gave to the economy is nothing compared to that of Brown when he was Chancellor. Up until now, the UK economy has continued to boom like it has never before. All economies are due a downturn, ours is now, and Gordon Brown is not the man to blame for it.

Black Wednesday and the closing of the mines resulting to the UK coming to a standstill and the eventual loss of thousands of jobs across the country? All down to a useless Tory governemt.