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I disagree with this theory. For me personally it was down to the social environment that i grew up in.
There's all sorts of theory's out that that suggests why people are gay but there's a lot that i don't agree with, there's some that could be a possibility.
Do you agree that people are born Gay?
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I kinda agree, too. I mean if there apparently is a cure to being gay (which they say there is on the news and what have you) then surely it's just a thing that you grow into? If you were born gay then it's hardly likely you could change that, not that I actually believe all this nonsense about having a cure to being gay.
As I'm not gay i'm going to be ignorant and not take an interest in the whole situation anyway lol :P
Lool, I totally disagree with this. I NEVER choose to be gay, I just started liking guys without even thinking about it - Obviously it has a little to do with your environment as you're growing up. Its not like one day, I went 'oh, it sounds good, I'm going to be gay' and also there isn't a cure |:
Yeah I do kinda agree with above because there are people who have like gay fathers who dress up as obvious transvestites that turn out to be straight.
Just because you've got a gay dad doesn't mean you're going to be... lol!
of course there isn't a cure to being gay, it's not an illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost
um i dunno. i don't think it's totally down to how you're brought up, i don't think just because guys are brought up around girls they turn out to be gay. my friend has 5 brothers and she's the only girl and one of that brothers is gay and really into football and always has been so it's not like there were things that "swayed" him into it :/ it doesn't matter if you were born that way or just figured along the way (depends how you see it), it's not an issue how you find out so i don't see why people need to debate about it.
I agree with this. I'm not gay but i think your sexual feelings are decided in the enviroment you grow up in and your not born gay :D
To be honest, everyone who is straight and commenting on this wouldn't really have a clue... sorry for bein' so ignorant but you wouldn't! Its not like one day, you went should I be straight or gay? Oh being straight sounds good - you were born straight, you didn't have no reason to be gay (if that makes sense).
Where as gay people just grow up liking the same sex, the environment isn't going to determine whether you are or not because if it was surely your brothers/sisters would also be gay because they been bought up in the same enviroment...
Anyway, I agree with Buttons - I don't see why we have to debate it even thought I've started :P
I never said that I thought was a cure but there are like Doctors and stuff saying there is a cure, but like surely gay people get offended by that if they're calling it a cure as if it's some sort of virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttons
Hmm ye i can see where your coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost
But how can anyone possibly be born gay? It's all got to bow down to the social environment you grow up in. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Hazza
You say you started liking boys.. So this kinda proves that you wasn't born gay... :S
Ok, let me ask you this - you're gay right? - Have you ever thought about a girl in a sexual way in your life? If its you're social environment wouldn't all your mates be gay too...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clowgon
Oh sorry if i didn't make it clear, no i'm not full on gay (Bi).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazza
Well most of my friends who I've know since i was in Nursery are even Gay or bisexual. Many of them feel the same that they weren't born how they are today, many of them think strongly that it's down to the fact they were bought up in a mostly male social environment.
Well you must live in a odd area because there's not many people I know are gay... and if you're Bi you still really wouldn't know to the full extend lol.
Lol odd area. I would tbh as this is deffo not a phrase i'm going through, I've know for years that i am bi and I've experience relationships with both M and F but if you know what your really are and sure that your not confused or anything like that then probably know the reason for what you are today.
I'm sure many people believe that they were born gay but there's no concrete evidence to prove that is completely true i don't think no will be be able provide the answer to explain why people are either gay or bi. If so, not for many years.
You are born gay, being gay effects your enviroment - whether you like football, hang out with girls and so on (of course there are many exceptions to this). Your enviroment is effected by who you are, whether your a naturally shy person, a gay guy - all of it.
You have always been gay, therefore the choices/decisions made in your life and those effects have all been effected by you being gay, just you didnt realise it.
I have to say i disagree i'm afraid. Since i was at the age of 7 or so, I've always liked girls and have never felt the way i feel boys the way i do now but because my social surroundings have changed, from probably the age of 9-10 ish I've become physically attracted to boys.
I deffo wasn't born liking the same sex, i am sure of that.
You most likely never liked girls properly at that age, especially at the age of seven. If you did the onset of puberty most likely made your hormones go crazy and perhaps you did like girls for a short period, once that settled however - you returned to normal. Unless you thought you liked girls because your friends and peers did, but you never really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clowgon
I have never heard of boys as young as seven liking people sexually anyway;- do you actually like girls now as it stands?, do you think of girls in the same way you do with boys when you see them?
I think you're probably born gay and you can't really change that.
However your social environment obviously affects how you cope with it.
Either repressing it or been open about it from the word go.
Fun recent video about it from Michael Buckley; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHusuzKdXXA
Hmm don't know about that one.. I'm deffo not full on gay and i haven't liked girls because people around me like them. Always have been attracted to females and always will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Nothings changed and i do think of girls in the same way that i think of boys.
I know girls who have had Bf's but went Les, so no i don't believe it
In psychology we were taught that it's to do with how you were brought up and nothing to do with being born either 'gay' or 'straight'
Yeah but I had 'girlfriends' when I was younger just cause thats what other people did.
I suppose when you think about it, it is a debate that until there is scientific proof then there is no point discussing cause there is always going to be someone who has a different side to the story aha.
Also known as denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wahey
Well, there are many young children who you can just tell are that way inclined, but obviously they don't know it yet. Also, I've heard various gay people say about how even when they were just 6 or 7 years old, they were limp-wristed and stuck their hands out straight to look at their nails, and other feminine actions. So I do have some belief in the "born gay" theory.
Lol, so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
No-one said you chooseQuote:
Originally Posted by Hazza
Actually with psychotherapy you can "cure" being gay, although I wouldn't use the term cureQuote:
Originally Posted by buttons
If you're correct in saying that you are born gay, then what you said above pretty much amounts to me saying I'm not lactose intolerant therefore cannot understand those who areQuote:
Originally Posted by Hazza
They aren't the same person, no-one reacts the same nor has exactly the same experiences and thought processes as anyone elseQuote:
Originally Posted by Hazza
lmao being gay is not the same thing as being effeminateQuote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
I also agree it's social surroundings. There could be no other reason for why there is suddenly so many gay people, I mean I know a lot of people who are gay have a realy hard time coming out, but then there's some people who show it off and are very flamboyant and I can only think that's due to how they were brought up, or, even possible decisions they made. Sometimes I really DO think that SOME people decide they want to be gay cause of the lifestyle they think comes with it, I realy do, but I'm not saying people CHOOSE it, just that some do.
I'm not saying they are, I am saying gay doesn't just come onto you - it effects everything which proves its genes, such as the way you act etc - of course there are exceptions, but lets face it - most gay guys are more feminine even in small ways than straight guys are. Therefore thats why I believe the brought up/social side is total nonsense, its genes.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
You are saying people that choose it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIKKEE
If there are a massive amount of exceptions (which there are) then it proves the theory wrong, at least in the way that you're trying to prove it
Calm down. I'm not saying people that choose it. I'm saying that people choose it. I also meant to say "I'm not saying all people CHOOSE it". I thought that would be pretty obvious from my choice of some.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Umm maybe because being gay was frowned upon years ago and it is now more socially acceptable to be gay... people who were gay years ago just hid itQuote:
Originally Posted by NIKKEE
I have said there are exceptions and of course there are, i'm saying that your genes effect your enviroment so you are always gay, you cant just suddenly turn gay because of your enviroment - otherwise we'd have a lot of social groups all turning out gay, a lot of classes in schools all turning out gay - doesn't happen, its down to genes.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
They are not gay then, you cannot choose who you like and do not like. If anyone 'chooses' to be gay - they are not gay, simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIKKEE
They're still doing the same things gay people do, and that's choosing to be gay. And I actually think that in choosing to be gay, some people can actually end up being gay, because they've focused their mind on that, and actually do feel attracted to the same sex, even if they hadn't before. Dawn Porter was quite a good example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
You hit the nail on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by mwah
They can be involved with gay acts, but are not gay. You cannot change to start being sexually attracted to a certain gender when you were not before. It is like those men/women who have families, have always been gay and hid it like that - then they come out as gay later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIKKEE
If you are sexually attacted to same gender = gay.
If you are pretending to be gay = not gay.
It is as simple as that.
being gay has become a trend of the 21st century
Alright, just saying what I think, the same as you are. And I don't believe that if homosexuality was socially acceptable back then there would be as many gay people as there is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Yeah you can :S quite easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
You could maybe choose but it wouldn't be real if you ask me - Its like if someones in denial, that isn't real, going out with girls - real is being with guys. They are choosing to 'like' girls, but its not real.
Yes but you wouldn't say he's gay but he goes out with girls, you would say he's straight. And you wouldn't say he's straight but he goes out with guys, as that would be gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazza
I don't really see the difference if you're pretending or really are, if you're a guy and you're doing a guy, then in my eyes you're gay.
My whole general point that has been picked apart was that people aren't born gay. I think babies are blank canvases and it's people and their surroundings that make them who they are.
Erm, if you're pretending - then you're hiding yourself aren't you?
So, all the gay guys 'in hiding' are basically chosing to be straight, even though they're not - doesn't make sense to me... you cannot call that straight.