Being born Gay

[lick]

I also agree it's social surroundings. There could be no other reason for why there is suddenly so many gay people, I mean I know a lot of people who are gay have a realy hard time coming out, but then there's some people who show it off and are very flamboyant and I can only think that's due to how they were brought up, or, even possible decisions they made. Sometimes I really DO think that SOME people decide they want to be gay cause of the lifestyle they think comes with it, I realy do, but I'm not saying people CHOOSE it, just that some do.

Umm maybe because being gay was frowned upon years ago and it is now more socially acceptable to be gay... people who were gay years ago just hid it

[-:Undertaker:-]

If there are a massive amount of exceptions (which there are) then it proves the theory wrong, at least in the way that you're trying to prove it

I have said there are exceptions and of course there are, i'm saying that your genes effect your enviroment so you are always gay, you cant just suddenly turn gay because of your enviroment - otherwise we'd have a lot of social groups all turning out gay, a lot of classes in schools all turning out gay - doesn't happen, its down to genes.

Calm down. I'm not saying people that choose it. I'm saying that people choose it. I also meant to say "I'm not saying all people CHOOSE it".

They are not gay then, you cannot choose who you like and do not like. If anyone 'chooses' to be gay - they are not gay, simple as that.

[NIKKEE]

They are not gay then, you cannot choose who you like and do not like. If anyone 'chooses' to be gay - they are not gay, simple as that.

They're still doing the same things gay people do, and that's choosing to be gay. And I actually think that in choosing to be gay, some people can actually end up being gay, because they've focused their mind on that, and actually do feel attracted to the same sex, even if they hadn't before. Dawn Porter was quite a good example of that.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Umm maybe because being gay was frowned upon years ago and it is now more socially acceptable to be gay... people who were gay years ago just hid it

You hit the nail on the head.

They're still doing the same things gay people do, and that's choosing to be gay. And I actually think that in choosing to be gay, some people can actually end up being gay, because they've focused their mind on that, and actually do feel attracted to the same sex, even if they hadn't before. Dawn Porter was quite a good example of that.

They can be involved with gay acts, but are not gay. You cannot change to start being sexually attracted to a certain gender when you were not before. It is like those men/women who have families, have always been gay and hid it like that - then they come out as gay later on.

If you are sexually attacted to same gender = gay.
If you are pretending to be gay = not gay.

It is as simple as that.

[Kyle]

being gay has become a trend of the 21st century

[NIKKEE]

You hit the nail on the head.

They can be involved with gay acts, but are not gay. You cannot change to start being sexually attracted to a certain gender when you were not before. It is like those men/women who have families, have always been gay and hid it like that - then they come out as gay later on.

If you are sexually attacted to same gender = gay.
If you are pretending to be gay = not gay.

It is as simple as that.

Alright, just saying what I think, the same as you are. And I don't believe that if homosexuality was socially acceptable back then there would be as many gay people as there is now.

[FlyingJesus]

They are not gay then, you cannot choose who you like and do not like.

Yeah you can :S quite easily

[Hazza]

You could maybe choose but it wouldn't be real if you ask me - Its like if someones in denial, that isn't real, going out with girls - real is being with guys. They are choosing to 'like' girls, but its not real.

[NIKKEE]

You could maybe choose but it wouldn't be real if you ask me - Its like if someones in denial, that isn't real, going out with girls - real is being with guys. They are choosing to 'like' girls, but its not real.

Yes but you wouldn't say he's gay but he goes out with girls, you would say he's straight. And you wouldn't say he's straight but he goes out with guys, as that would be gay.
I don't really see the difference if you're pretending or really are, if you're a guy and you're doing a guy, then in my eyes you're gay.

My whole general point that has been picked apart was that people aren't born gay. I think babies are blank canvases and it's people and their surroundings that make them who they are.

[Hazza]

Erm, if you're pretending - then you're hiding yourself aren't you?
So, all the gay guys 'in hiding' are basically chosing to be straight, even though they're not - doesn't make sense to me... you cannot call that straight.