Shocking is a word that cannot describe today.

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08-11-2009, 07:21 PM
BoomItsClowgon

Shocking is a word that cannot describe today.

Flame me, i have a point which many would agree.

The referee was an absolute disgrace. To put him in charge of the City, Sunderland, liverpool AND this one which he made mistakes in all of them is a joke.

The officiating today in general was poor. Sunday league officiators would put them all to shame.

Rooney - Clear onside, goal scoring opportunity,
Valencia - bought down in the box - Penalty
The free kick that led to the goal - ***?

The ref was in general far too picky all game stopping the game when he should have let it flow. There was at least 2 occasions when players were down with head injury's during Chelsea attacks when he didn't stop the game. When a head injury occurred when we was attacking however, he stopped the game straight away. His inconsistency in general was beyond poor.

He made far too many decisions that were frankly unfathomable involving fouls and yellow cards (the Carvalho Evans incident for instance.)

In the game against City there were 4 minutes added on. Because of a goal and substitutions however more time was added on. Totaling around 7 minutes. United fans have spent weeks trying to justify this to others. Then you get a ref like today who adds 5 minutes and blows the final whistle after exactly 5 minutes despite the fact that a substitution and several long stoppages took place. The shear inconsistency of referees is beyond poor in the Premier league at the moment and today's ref was a prime example.

The FA needs to crack down on terrible referee's like this, what pisses me off the most is that they put him in charge of 4 GAMES which he made awful decisions go against us.

I'm not excusing the chances we had, but we had key decisions go against us which NO top flight referee should be making.

I'm happy with our performance, best of the season so far, so if we keep playing like how we did today, we can go all the way.

Thread Closed by Jamest (Forum Moderator): To Prevent further arguments.
08-11-2009, 07:32 PM
Tash.

Correct me if i'm wrong then but if he was in charge of your game with City he did you a massive favour in giving you extra minutes in which you won the game? Forgetful much. Typical MU fan blaming the ref for your own shortcomings tbh. He did make bad decisions I agree but as many people have said to me on here, you had plenty of other opportunities in which you could've scored but you didn't. How any fans of any team can moan about referees when a referee allowed a beachball goal this season is beyond me. There is no worse refereeing than that.
08-11-2009, 07:53 PM
Jibbish

Every game you lose, you always blame the ref :/
08-11-2009, 08:15 PM
BoomItsClowgon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tash.

Correct me if i'm wrong then but if he was in charge of your game with City he did you a massive favour in giving you extra minutes in which you won the game? Forgetful much. Typical MU fan blaming the ref for your own shortcomings tbh. He did make bad decisions I agree but as many people have said to me on here, you had plenty of other opportunities in which you could've scored but you didn't. How any fans of any team can moan about referees when a referee allowed a beachball goal this season is beyond me. There is no worse refereeing than that.

Go and get your facts right before you post utter crap.

That's one thing i hate... bull****

You obviously have no clue or hardly any understanding of the game. The extra time added on was due to changes made in stoppage time, (extra 30 seconds) so he had no choice, but to award the extra minutes. Also, you go on as if he added the minutes intentionally, trying to get United to steal a win, it could of gone either way... :rolleyes:

So i don't why you mentioned "the typical united fan always blaming the referee" jargon. (READ THE ABOVE POST IF YOU DON'T GET WHAT I MEAN)

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Originally Posted by Jibbish

Every game you lose, you always blame the ref :/

How do i? Last season when we lost to Liverpool, and co did i blame the referee? NO I DID NOT.. if i did... PROVE IT!

It happens to be the case in the last few games, after the fergie - wiley incident (excluding the blackburn game) that referee's have given poor descisons against us.
08-11-2009, 08:27 PM
Arron

Well fair play to Chelsea, they took their chance to score. We worked the ball well, just couldn't find the target.

The referee blew on 95m 04 seconds which I liked, he could have added another 30 seconds due to time wasting but he blew when the allocated time was up.

I agree, Terry gave away a penalty, the referee disagreed.
Rooney was ABSOLUTELY onside, but making a decision like that should be hard for a linesman and Ashley Cole did his best to play Rooney offside.
The freekick that led to the goal? Fletcher got the man then the ball. Like Andy Gray said, it's 50/50. I agree with the referee on this decision.

It's just one of those days for United. They have to move on. Stay strong and win as many games as possible.
08-11-2009, 08:40 PM
BoomItsClowgon

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Originally Posted by DwayneTheRockJohnson

Well fair play to Chelsea, they took their chance to score. We worked the ball well, just couldn't find the target.

The referee blew on 95m 04 seconds which I liked, he could have added another 30 seconds due to time wasting but he blew when the allocated time was up.

I agree, Terry gave away a penalty, the referee disagreed.
Rooney was ABSOLUTELY onside, but making a decision like that should be hard for a linesman and Ashley Cole did his best to play Rooney offside.
The freekick that led to the goal? Fletcher got the man then the ball. Like Andy Gray said, it's 50/50. I agree with the referee on this decision.

It's just one of those days for United. They have to move on. Stay strong and win as many games as possible.

- Minute or so should of been added on due to more time wasting and a substitution, in stoppage time.

- Linesman should of got it right, that's a terrible decision.

- Fletcher got the ball, seen it over 5 times..

- Clear penalty, linesman or the referee should of picked it up. (Due to the fact that no one did, it's poor officiating)

Having said that, we had one or two chances, that we could of done better on.. but that's NOT the point, when the referee makes mistakes like everyone who watched the game saw, it spoils the whole game.

I know Chelsea fans that even said that the referee was poor, the Rooney, Valencia and fletcher incident.. many said they got lucky because of what happened on them three occasions. When Chelsea fans, who we just played, says stuff like this... this is telling you something.
08-11-2009, 09:23 PM
Jack.Lfc

Haha didn't see it but sounds funny
08-11-2009, 09:40 PM
CHA!NGANG

I do like you clowgon but please stop blaming the ref whenever united loose, it's getting really annoying.

United played ok and it could of gone either way, but it didn't. United lacked the finish product and Chelsea's defence was too strong. If Berba played maybe he could have finished it but he didn't so you lost. At home you should win.

I was actually routing for United/a Draw but oh well.
08-11-2009, 09:46 PM
Arron

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHA!NGANG

I was actually routing for United/a Draw but oh well.

at the most i was expecting a draw. knowing how well we did today we coulda pulled the victory off.

it shall be interesting to see the fixture at Old Trafford.
08-11-2009, 10:14 PM
StefanWolves

Wow. Are you criticising the ref... again?!?!?
08-11-2009, 10:25 PM
Black_Apalachi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack.Lfc

Haha didn't see it but sounds funny

deffo MOTD2! in fact won't it be on now? :O BRB
08-11-2009, 10:32 PM
StefanWolves

half way through love x
08-11-2009, 10:56 PM
BoomItsClowgon

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHA!NGANG

I do like you clowgon but please stop blaming the ref whenever united loose, it's getting really annoying.

United played ok and it could of gone either way, but it didn't. United lacked the finish product and Chelsea's defence was too strong. If Berba played maybe he could have finished it but he didn't so you lost. At home you should win.

I was actually routing for United/a Draw but oh well.

I like you too :) but come on now, the mistakes he made in the game, especially the incident involving Fletcher which led to the goal, it was the turning point in the game tbh... he lost us the match, due to poor judgment, it's not an excuse i'm just putting it how i see it.

This is the second time now I've said that the referee cost us (both, i think have valid cases)... it's not like i always blame the referee if we lose or draw. Haven't you once feel the ref lost you the match/points due to poor judgment(s)? ;)

But really, watch the game in full and you would probably agree with me.
09-11-2009, 04:08 PM
Ardemax

the ref did it! :O
09-11-2009, 04:55 PM
Dragorn

So what? Arsenal did quite alot of dives and some wolves players got booked for nothing when they played each other, am i complaining?
09-11-2009, 06:31 PM
BoomItsClowgon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragorn

So what? Arsenal did quite alot of dives and some wolves players got booked for nothing when they played each other, am i complaining?

Your team lost 4-1. Get over it. :rolleyes:
09-11-2009, 06:43 PM
Jack.Lfc

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoomItsClowgon

Your team lost 4-1. Get over it. :rolleyes:

4-1, the score rings a bell someone help me out here.
09-11-2009, 06:45 PM
Andeeh

winge winge winge winge someones SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETHING
09-11-2009, 06:45 PM
Flamedragon3

People need to give ref's a break. Yes they always make stupid decisions at times, but there human errors, and the Premier League is one of the fastest paced football leagues in the world, if not then faster. When I went to the Villa vs City game, the lineman was far back from the players on both teams especially Villa because of the speed they have. He made loads of wrong offside decisions because of this which was annoying for both sides, but it wasn't easy for him to keep up with them which was a bit unfortunate I guess.

I guess we'll just have to carry on with these bad decisions because there is no way we can realistically change what has happened in the past, and we can't exactly use video technology as this would mean it needs to be implied to all football games throughout the world, which will be very costly and difficult to get around. Being a ref is one of the toughest jobs on a football pitch because they need to be able to keep up with players constantly with hardly any break, and be on alert at all times making the right decisions. Also they have thousands of fans pressure on their backs like us which hardly helps.
09-11-2009, 06:47 PM
StefanWolves

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoomItsClowgon

Your team lost 4-1. Get over it. :rolleyes:

Your team lost 1-0 and 2-0, now piddle off and stop complaining. You are so contradictory it is UNBELIEVABLE, making yourself look even more foolish by the hour.
09-11-2009, 07:02 PM
BoomItsClowgon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack.Lfc

4-1, the score rings a bell someone help me out here.

Who cares, you beat us twice... WOW. It's always the past with you liverpool fans. You should be worried about tonights game.

Clown of a Voroin is playing pahahahaa. :P Ngog. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. :eusa_danc

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Originally Posted by Andeeh

winge winge winge winge someones SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETHING

How old are you? Like 5?

I can't even had a decent debate on here anymore. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Flamedragon3

People need to give ref's a break. Yes they always make stupid decisions at times, but there human errors, and the Premier League is one of the fastest paced football leagues in the world, if not then faster. When I went to the Villa vs City game, the lineman was far back from the players on both teams especially Villa because of the speed they have. He made loads of wrong offside decisions because of this which was annoying for both sides, but it wasn't easy for him to keep up with them which was a bit unfortunate I guess.

I guess we'll just have to carry on with these bad decisions because there is no way we can realistically change what has happened in the past, and we can't exactly use video technology as this would mean it needs to be implied to all football games throughout the world, which will be very costly and difficult to get around. Being a ref is one of the toughest jobs on a football pitch because they need to be able to keep up with players constantly with hardly any break, and be on alert at all times making the right decisions. Also they have thousands of fans pressure on their backs like us which hardly helps.

I agree with some of the things here, but surely Video technology used in Rugby would ease the pressure off referee's a bit. The cases against Valencia being bought down in the box, Rooney's so called "offside" and the incident involving Fletcher and Ashley Cole, which led to a goal being scored would of been so different if we'd a had this technology... I'm sure the FA can afford to do this..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolves,

Your team lost 1-0 and 2-0, now piddle off and stop complaining. You are so contradictory it is UNBELIEVABLE, making yourself look even more foolish by the hour.

Blah blah.
09-11-2009, 07:08 PM
Black_Apalachi

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoomItsClowgon

Who cares, you beat us twice... WOW. It's always the past with you liverpool fans. You should be worried about tonights game. ...

Twice? :eusa_thin
09-11-2009, 07:12 PM
CHA!NGANG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragorn

So what? Arsenal did quite alot of dives and some wolves players got booked for nothing when they played each other, am i complaining?

Arsenal did quite alot of Dives? Can you link me to these dives because I can't remember a single dive that game... And which wolves players got booked for nothing? You've just made that post completely up and none of it happened, whilst United were hard done by and the ref did make bad decisions :rolleyes: Not condoning SAF and United fans always complaining but yesterday was poor reffing.
09-11-2009, 07:23 PM
Flamedragon3

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoomItsClowgon

I agree with some of the things here, but surely Video technology used in Rugby would ease the pressure off referee's a bit. The cases against Valencia being bought down in the box, Rooney's so called "offside" and the incident involving Fletcher and Ashley Cole, which led to a goal being scored would of been so different if we'd a had this technology... I'm sure the FA can afford to do this..

But if they did pay for this technology, then they need to buy it for every football league, which will be very costly, especially in the current recession. Buying chips to put in footballs to indicate when the ball crosses the line, and buying lasers to detect this. Also using cameras in many positions and angles and being able to talk over a mic to the referee at the same time to let them know if it is offsides, penalty etc is a lot to do and time consuming when they need to make the decisions urgently.

I wish it was simple to add technlogy to football, but it does have major problems. :(
09-11-2009, 07:46 PM
Tash.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoomItsClowgon

Go and get your facts right before you post utter crap.

That's one thing i hate... bull****

You obviously have no clue or hardly any understanding of the game. The extra time added on was due to changes made in stoppage time, (extra 30 seconds) so he had no choice, but to award the extra minutes. Also, you go on as if he added the minutes intentionally, trying to get United to steal a win, it could of gone either way... :rolleyes:

So i don't why you mentioned "the typical united fan always blaming the referee" jargon. (READ THE ABOVE POST IF YOU DON'T GET WHAT I MEAN)

How do i? Last season when we lost to Liverpool, and co did i blame the referee? NO I DID NOT.. if i did... PROVE IT!

It happens to be the case in the last few games, after the fergie - wiley incident (excluding the blackburn game) that referee's have given poor descisons against us.

I have got my facts right thank you very much, i'm not the one blaming the referee for a loss which had nothing to do with him in the grand scheme of things. He gave a decision against you, get over it. I was merely pointing out that if you want to moan about a decision I will refer you to a beachball one. At no point did i say thats the reason we lost, I only said it was a bad decision. I mentioned the "typical united fan always blaming the referee" because its the truth. All MU fans seem to do is whine about them everytime they lose, its never because the other team was better on the day. You lost 1-0 to Chelsea, you had plenty of time to overcome that and you didn't. That isn't the referees fault.. and as I saw you posted a little bit later, perhaps decisions are going the other way after Fergie's outburst over Wiley, can you blame them? Its high time he got punished, if the FA won't do it there are other ways. Now I personally don't think referees are taking it upon themselves to deprive you, but if you want to play the victims then you do so.

Oh and not to mention, I see no whining about the fact that all Evans got for what he did to Drogba was a yellow card, funny that isnt it? As long as it goes your way, nothing is said. The minute you lose, alot of things went against you. Hilarious.

And whoever -repped me, at least leave your name you coward :rolleyes:
09-11-2009, 08:03 PM
Andeeh

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoomItsClowgon

Who cares, you beat us twice... WOW. It's always the past with you liverpool fans. You should be worried about tonights game.

Clown of a Voroin is playing pahahahaa. :P Ngog. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. :eusa_danc

How old are you? Like 5?

I can't even had a decent debate on here anymore. :rolleyes:

I agree with some of the things here, but surely Video technology used in Rugby would ease the pressure off referee's a bit. The cases against Valencia being bought down in the box, Rooney's so called "offside" and the incident involving Fletcher and Ashley Cole, which led to a goal being scored would of been so different if we'd a had this technology... I'm sure the FA can afford to do this..

Blah blah.

Until you start talking sence and stop whinging then i will keep acting like a 5 year old
09-11-2009, 08:18 PM
lBlue

Come on Clowgon quite down now kidda, nobody cares about your knee jerk reaction to a Football First replay.