Super Rare Valuations

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02-04-2010, 09:03 AM
.trek.

Super Rare Valuations

Many people are getting concerned with the decline in values of super rares over the past few months which seems to be directly connected Habbox’s interpretation of throne/hc/super value and it would be helpful if someone from Habbox could explain how you arrive at the values you have published on the site.

This is an example below of where the confusion is coming from:

If a super, say a gold dragon in this instance is sold for 9 thrones and the value of the throne at the time is 145hc’s then the value of that super “at the time” would be 9 thrones (1305hc’s) - yes?

Then some time later the value of a “throne” rises to say 165hc’s

Now, my question is, is the super still worth 9 thrones “the original price paid” which at today’s values @165hc’s per throne would equal 1,485 hc’s or has the super gone down in value, even though none have been traded since which would be the indication from Habbox.com.

I would be grateful for any imput to this subject from the Habbox team or users which will help us understand the valuation system a little better and why super values are declining without being traded.

.trek. super rare trader
02-04-2010, 12:02 PM
Sharon

I would imagine it is still 9 thrones (your example) but this could just be your example. We find our values by the MarketPlace and what we see it traded as. The values panel is soon to be updated completely so when that comes you should get the most accurate possible.

This is just MY opinion though and I'll get management to take a look.
02-04-2010, 12:18 PM
.trek.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilySharon

I would imagine it is still 9 thrones (your example) but this could just be your example. We find our values by the MarketPlace and what we see it traded as. The values panel is soon to be updated completely so when that comes you should get the most accurate possible.

This is just MY opinion though and I'll get management to take a look.

Thanks for the reply Sharon

I simply used the figures from Habbox.com lol - gold dragon was 9T (1305hc) it is now 7T 150hc (1305hc) so that actually means it is not worth 9T anymore?

How is that worked out if that super has not been traded. Shouldnt it read 9T (1485hc)?
02-04-2010, 01:16 PM
gangstaagent1

If people start to pay less for the dragon because of the increase in the throne value, that's what brings the value down. As I've seen with other rares and such, once the hc/throne/credit, value goes down, if people starting paying less for it then that's what makes the values go down.

I will also redirect this to management so that you can get a managers point of view :)

Matt ;)
02-04-2010, 01:41 PM
.trek.

You obviously don't understand what the thread is about MILLWALL hence "trialist" The thread isn’t about what furniture is trading at.
02-04-2010, 01:43 PM
gangstaagent1

That's what makes the values go down or not... Values of the trade is what makes the values on the site go up... Also as you said in your first post, if there is none traded, then the value of the HC stays the same because HC's have dropped to 5 credits
02-04-2010, 01:48 PM
.trek.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ,MILLWALL,

That's what makes the values go down or not... Values of the trade is what makes the values on the site go up...

Exactly!!! I agree with you 100%, so why has Gold Drag gone down without being traded? (You can refer to my original post if you like for figures)
02-04-2010, 01:50 PM
gangstaagent1

To be honest, in this case I am not sure... The only thing that I could be thinking it is, is that the HC value stayed the same, and the throne value went down... So I imagine that in this case, they were going by the value of the HC's and not the throne, so that is why the throne value is down. I will ask Elle (Faboosh) why this has changed and get her to post in here ;)

EDIT: I have just looked at the value on the site, and by the looks of it, it looks like they are going by the value of the HC sofa, so the decrease in the HC sofa has affected the value in the throne side ;)
02-04-2010, 01:59 PM
Roxy

The values are worked out in HCs, not thrones. If the value of the throne goes up it won't affect how many HCs the throne is worth, just how many thrones. So in this case the dragon was 1305HC but supers show the value in thrones too, so it would've also shown as 9T. The throne value then went up meaning you can get less thrones for 1305HC . The rare is worth the same, but because of the increase in the value of thrones it looks like the rare's dropped.

I *think* that's how it goes anyway
02-04-2010, 02:04 PM
gangstaagent1

I agree tbh thats what I *think* also
02-04-2010, 02:15 PM
.trek.

Ok we’re not making much sense at the moment but at least we’re talking, that’s good.
So if a super is worth 9T it shouldn’t matter if a T is worth 1CS or 100CS or am I wrong?
02-04-2010, 02:24 PM
gangstaagent1

Ok, I might not make sence here 'cuz this is ridiculous but let's say thrones drop to 1CS right. And your drag is worth 1305CS (Like the gold), the drag will keep it's value of 1305CS and the throne value will jump to 1305CS (Hence 1CS per throne). If the HC value rises or drops, the HC value should stay the same on the item but the throne value will drop because you get either more thrones or less thrones by HC.

I confused myself by writing this, I hope you understand xD
02-04-2010, 02:31 PM
.trek.

LOL I'm just using gold Drag as an example its the same for all supers. Surely if the throne rose in hc value then a super that was listed as being worth 9T (1035CS) would now be worth STILL 9T but (1485CS) which is the new value of 9T and not the other way around.

It may seem ridiculous or confusing but it is a valid subject and some clarification needs to be made as to why CS’s are affecting the values of not only thrones but supers also.
02-04-2010, 02:38 PM
gangstaagent1

Quote:

Originally Posted by .trek.

LOL I'm just using gold Drag as an example its the same for all supers. Surely if the throne rose in hc value then a super that was listed as being worth 9T (1035CS) would now be worth STILL 9T but (1485CS) which is the new value of 9T and not the other way around.

It may seem ridiculous or confusing but it is a valid subject and some clarification needs to be made as to why CS’s are affecting the values of not only thrones but supers also.

Exactlly, the HC value would be 1485CS and the throne value would remain at 9T

And I think it's effecting the values because the CS are valued for almost EVERY rare/super ect... Thrones are only used at things worth more then 1T at the time.
02-04-2010, 02:41 PM
.trek.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ,MILLWALL,

Exactlly, the HC value would be 1485CS and the throne value would remain at 9T

And I think it's effecting the values because the CS are valued for almost EVERY rare/super ect... Thrones are only used at things worth more then 1T at the time.

YES we got there! I will ask that you get promoted asap lol :) do you think they will listen to me though!
02-04-2010, 02:43 PM
gangstaagent1

lol, idc :P Anyways sorry about my stupidness at the start of this thread xD I had just woke up and i'm stupid ;D
02-04-2010, 02:48 PM
.trek.

No worries, it is a very difficult subject and always has been. BTW do you happen to know what the maximum about of CS you can have in your hand because I don't fancy clicking 2,225 times to buy a Purple Drag in CS's.
02-04-2010, 02:51 PM
gangstaagent1

That question confused me ? :S
02-04-2010, 03:32 PM
.trek.

Don't worry.

It would be good to have someone who actually updates the values on the site comment on this!
02-04-2010, 03:35 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxy916

The values are worked out in HCs, not thrones. If the value of the throne goes up it won't affect how many HCs the throne is worth, just how many thrones. So in this case the dragon was 1305HC but supers show the value in thrones too, so it would've also shown as 9T. The throne value then went up meaning you can get less thrones for 1305HC . The rare is worth the same, but because of the increase in the value of thrones it looks like the rare's dropped.

I *think* that's how it goes anyway

That is correct.

The Throne changes too often for rares to be solidly based on the T value. It also makes perfect sense; if I trade my Gold Dragon Lamp for 9T which at the time works out at say 1000 CS it was last traded for 1000 CS. If the Throne doubled, the rare hasn't doubled but the Throne has so why on earth would we put it to 2000 CS. If we based on T then that would mean items such as the Gold Dragon Lamp changing value when they have not been traded. At the present, they are not changing value but the Throne is.

I also apoligise for not replying instantly but I do, like others, have other things to do i'm afraid. :)
02-04-2010, 03:38 PM
.trek.

So the Gold Dragon I SOLD for 9T is still worth 9T?
02-04-2010, 03:41 PM
-:Undertaker:-

No, say you sold your Gold Dragon Lamp for 9T which at the time works out at 1000 CS. The Throne then increases, which means 1000 CS only stands for 8T now then that would be the value. The rare in question is not worth anything less, but yes it is worth less in Thrones because the Throne has risen.

The same goes for unpure, say I trade my Bird Bath (red) for 10 Gold Laser Gates which at the time are 10 CS then that works out at 100 CS. If the Gold Laser Gate changed and say doubled, why would the Bird Bath (red) also double and become 200 CS? - it doesnt make sense, hence why we have the CS as the primary currency.
02-04-2010, 03:45 PM
.trek.

I understand what your saying undertaker but in your previous post you said "the rare hasn't doubled but the Throne has" so therfore the rare should still be at the price it was traded at Irrespective of what value is put on a throne!
02-04-2010, 03:46 PM
-:Undertaker:-

The rare is at the price it was traded at, which at the time was say 9T which equals 1000 CS. The rare would remain at 1000 CS as CS barely change whereas the Throne may change and thus it is worth less/more Thrones depending on whether the Throne decreased on increased.
02-04-2010, 03:54 PM
.trek.

I beg to differ - I sold a gold dragon for 9 thrones' you said in your previous post it is no longer worth 9T and it is now listed as being worth 7 thrones 150CS (without being traded since) all I would like to know is why is it not worth what someone paid me for it with no further trade to judge it on. I thought the point of Habbox Values was to estimate values on TRADES.
02-04-2010, 11:53 PM
-:Undertaker:-

The value has changed in Thrones yes, because of the very simple reason the Throne has changed. We use CS as the primary value, its primary value has not changed. Again, refer back to my example with the Gold Laser Gate.
03-04-2010, 02:05 AM
JetBridge

even though the value of a super stays the same, thrones are rising and hcs are not. The value is not dropping any, you just think it is because its worth less thrones because dragons arent rising at the same rate as the throne is.
03-04-2010, 07:46 AM
.trek.

Quote:

Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The value has changed in Thrones yes, because of the very simple reason the Throne has changed. We use CS as the primary value, its primary value has not changed. Again, refer back to my example with the Gold Laser Gate.

Thanks m8 - ok I understand that. How do you think this is going to pan out in the future if Thrones keep rising in CS value and Supers are worth less in Thrones.
03-04-2010, 09:41 AM
DJ-Ains.T

Well, after seeing this thread I went on a hunt for a gold dragon being sold. They sold the gold dragon for 8T, so this gives me a conclusion of the throne value is linked in with the selling of Gold Dragon, but it isn't dependant on the throne, it's dependant on the HC.
03-04-2010, 10:00 AM
.trek.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ-Ains.T

Well, after seeing this thread I went on a hunt for a gold dragon being sold. They sold the gold dragon for 8T, so this gives me a conclusion of the throne value is linked in with the selling of Gold Dragon, but it isn't dependant on the throne, it's dependant on the HC.

Thanks for that report, gold drag selling for 8t, a screenshot would have helped but as your a "Trialist Rare Values Reporter" i'm sure they will take your word for it and update the value as soon as they can. 1320CS now I think that works out at :)
03-04-2010, 12:18 PM
-:Undertaker:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by .trek.

Thanks m8 - ok I understand that. How do you think this is going to pan out in the future if Thrones keep rising in CS value and Supers are worth less in Thrones.

Quite honestly its a shame and its down to you super traders trading more for them again, until you start paying the past 15T/20T prices again then we won't see them back at the prices they should be (in T) compared to all other rares which have doubled in CS value thanks to the CS-C revaluations. If Club sofas stay at 5 C now then the Throne should stop jumping as it has been but then again at the moment its at the 800 C mark which in real terms means its only worth 80 CS so when you think it was worth 1000 C on average that means it should be at the moment around the 200 CS mark.