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I'm not sure if this is official yet, but I heard (from multiple people) that North Korea is going to war with South Korea. If this is the case, then there is a good chance China could get involved and help the North. Should this happen, could it lead to WW3?
Who knows, maybe they wont go to war, I was wondering what you guys had heard and knew :](yn)
"Should this happen", of course it shouldn't. :|
He's not saying they should. He said "should this happen" which is essentially saying "if this happens".Quote:
Originally Posted by Biohazard
They're not going to war. They've just fell out and ripped up agreements like they have throughout the history of the two nations. Everytime North Korea is mentioned in the news someone on here feels the need to cry World War III yet I can say with almost certainty, nothing will kick off. I'm personally getting sceptical of China's support for North Korea, while I'm sure they'd like the land, I think North Korea is a big drain on them and seeing as China is slowly moving away from Communism they have less in common these days. They also can't afford to damage relations with the US yet.
I have always warned that the flashpoint of the world and its security is Asia, not the squabbles in Africa or the Middle East. The Korean question is one flashpoint and I would put my money on the Peoples Republic of China becoming involved on the Norths side against the South and the United States/NATO however there are even bigger flashpoints which i've listed below;- its very scary and the more they develop the sooner these issues will be forced to come to a head.
Peoples Republic of China - Republic of China flashpoint over land disputes.
Peoples Republic of China - India flashpoint over land disputes.
India - Pakistan flashpoint over land disputes.
The list goes on more-so in you include racial tensions which stem from Japan, China, Taiwan, India (internally also), Burma and various other points - I also believe Russia has territorial claims with Japan and China dating back to the Russian Empire and WW1 and WW2.
doubt China would join forces with N Korea. Got too much to lose in respect to trade with the US and Europe. They'd probably stay out of it but accept N Korean Refugees (the ones that would make it over the border).
Every time North Korea gets a mention in the news, everybody screams war.
WW3 won't happen for a long time yet.
Ok, thanks for your help. (Y)
nahh im sure at this time people won't be stupid enough to provoke a war in the east.
The Peoples Republic of China is a very dangerous and aggressive state and people must remember that always. China does and has always believed it has the global right to be the world leader and looks down upon at states around Asia at whom they see as the tributary states to China because China 'belongs' at the centre of Asia and is superior to other nations - especially those with darker skin complexion. In the 1950s Korean War they intervened despite being totally behind in terms of power to the United States and they pushed the US back to the coast of the south almost. In recent years China has also shown little sign of backing down - in the 1997 handover of Hong Kong from the United Kingdom to the Peoples Republic of China they sent the PLA over the border before the time which had been agreed prior to the handover. To add ontop of that, from what I recall Prince Charles publically said how he felt intimidated at the handover when the Royal Ship Britannia was surrounded by PLA warships as it was leaving Hong Kong and the ex-colony.
This isn't to mention the various clashes the US navy and NATO has had with China over the past few years (and the Chinese call this period their 'peaceful rise') - do not be fooled, in the 90s they fired missiles over the Republic of China just before an election was held to send a warning/an attempt to influence the vote in favour of a pro-united China candidate. China (PROC) is the biggest threat to world peace and the Korean question is just one of a number of issues surrounding Asia and China which threatens World War III - unlike the Russians, they dont have it in them to back down.
They have no understanding or care for the consquences aslong as they get their way. It applies to most Asian states which could be seen in the behaviour of the Empire of Japan during World War II to captured soliders. Asia is the most racist and hateful continent of them all - the leadership of China would not give a damn for their people and their lives in achieving their goals. It is a very big threat to world peace - the west bangs on about the pitiful and nearly insignifigant issues of North Korean nuclear missiles and Iranian nuclear programmes whilst ignoring the real problem which is China.
If it was the case you'd have a source. About a dozen sources in fact.
China and N. Korea have a contract as do S. Korea and U.S.A - If anything it will be these four countries at war. Hopefully, if it does happen, we won't get dragged in.
You say China are the problem yet you quite gladly use products manufactured there. The problem isn't exclusively China, it's the United States also. Both are trying to dictate global issues, they're just focusing on different areas. China is exploiting Africa just as the west did 100 years ago, all we are seeing is history repeating itself. It's just different players hold the cards this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
While China is no angel I am beginning to respect them as a super power. If the Chinese were to say the North Koreans were in the wrong to shoot the South Korean ship, North Korea would immediately feel betrayed and seeing as they have no other allies they'd have no choice but to go to war. Currently China can influence what North Korea does seeing as it is North Korea's lifeline, and as a result there is peace. It's within everyone's interests for the Chinese to turn a blind eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
If thats in reference to me then check them out yourself as they are all over the internet and well documented. The race part and tributary system may need a bit of reading to understand though as its rooted deep in Chinese culture and was one of the only things which survived the purge of the imperial system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Apalachi
Who said i'm glad that we all have to buy from China?Quote:
Originally Posted by Technologic
In an ideal world we wouldnt buy anything from China and would source mainly from India and other states, possibly even ourselves but we all know that is now impossible with development. The United States isnt the problem because whilst its had bad foreign policy moves it does not have territorial disputes with nuclear neighbours, it does not support a despot regime on its doorstep, it is not a nation which has it in it to look down upon other nations like China historically has done and always has had acted in such a way (the tributary state system).
I have mentioned various facts within that section which I wrote and you simply cannot dismiss them in blind faith for China and the weak dislike many still feel for the United States today - despite problems with both; ask yourself who you trust more out of the two.
China is still 'investigating' the warship incident which shows that for now it simply refuses to weaken the North Korean regime - afterall a collapsing Korea would threaten its own leadership as millions would flood the borders via the North. I do not blame China because if I were a despotic regime then I would also try and keep the peace in such a way, at the expense (as usual) of the North Korean people. I am saying that China is not to be trusted and when it is more powerful (if that comes) you will see it flexing its muscles much more as it has already done against the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordy
Napoleon Bonaparte once said of China "Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world."
I personally think if WW3 happens at any time (which is likely) we will not be involved directly unless the USA drags us into it
We legally have no other choice but to come to the aid of a fellow NATO members provided they are not the aggressor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Selena Gomez
No Dan, it was about the OP lol :P
Kind of like you dragged us into the last world war :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Selena Gomez
I will reply to both as both assume that the aggressor is not at fault for causing world war.
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Originally Posted by Mr Selena Gomez
The United States and Canada became involved in World War II because of the attacks on pearl harbour and the fact that Canada had a moral obligation as part of Empire to come to the aid of the United Kingdom and fellow colonies/dominions and states in Asia who were also under attack by the Empire of Japan and the Third Reich. The British Empire and its entanglements aside, Canada as a western power had a moral obligation to assist its allies in the fight against the Third Reich and Axis Powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
It was not the British Empire who dragged anybody into war, it was the aggressive policy of the Empire of Japan and the Third Reich to invade and conquer lands which were in development/had already developed. I am glad Canada filled its moral obligation and so did the rest of the Empire. If Korea does spark a World War III or another conflict, the United States will not of have dragged anybody into a war - it will be the fault (depending on the situation) of the North Korean regime and the communist Chinese regime.
If anything the policy of appeasement by the British Empire intially put both the Empire and the world in general at more risk than at any other point through the war in a vain attempt to ignore Hitlers Germany and Japans imperial ambitions - the Czechs being one of the early casualties of appeasement. We often talk about the domino effect of communism, but the policy of appeasement surely had the potential of creating a domino effect of conversion to Nazism starting with the Czechs and possibly ending with a country of the likes of Canada whom thought it was safe across the Atlantic just as the United States first thought.
If WW3 happens, I will be moving to the most remote place on earth for safety.
Yes, we had a moral obligation, but nothing more than that. Our foreign affairs minister made it very clear prior to entering both World Wars that we were doing so by choice, and not because of any political ties with being common wealth. Canada prior to both wars did not see itself as part of the Empire, especially considering the vast amount of French speaking Canadians we had and still have.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
No... You were just uninvited guests :P Didn't the USA come late to both world wars, and claim they turned the tides?
Yeah we sure were raging when Pearl Harbour was attacked, took loads of convincing to get yous to do something about it. Oh wait.. it's Pearl Harbor.. of course, it's American!...Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
True, I will give them credit for that though, they turned the tides just as much as Britain and the USSR.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
I am Canadian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Apalachi
Well he would say that to quell the French Quebec community wouldn't he. In those days Britain and her Empire were the economic superpower of the world and seeing as Canada was a dominion/colony/member of the Commonwealth it had little choice economically also but to come to the aid of the United Kingdom and the Empire - otherwise you'd have no other choice but to trade with the vastly superior Empire of Japan and the Third Reich which no doubt would have eventually led to annexation.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
There was counteries in Europe with borders very close to the front who stayed neutral. Canada could have if we so chose to. Consider that we entered wwii much earlier than our superpower American counterparts. We were in the war before Pearl harbour.
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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Indeed you could have stayed neutral just as Belgium did and look what happened there. You dont seem very happy about Canada helping the Empire and fighting against Hitler, dont you consider the freedom of the western world all that important(?) because thats the tone i'm picking up.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
No. Perhaps I'm playing devils advocate here. I'm extremely proud of Canada's war contributions in world war one which more or less shaped Canada. I'm also very proud of our contributions in the second war, where we joined the war effort before the Americans, and not just because we were directly threatened.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
What I do have a problem with, is the implications suggesting that Canada entered the war because we were instructed to. This is not the case. Canada entered both wars because of moral and cultural reasons. Otherwise we would of conscripted from the start, conformed to being spread across Britain's army thus not staying as an independent fighting unit, and our foreign affairs administer wouldn't have told everyone we fought by choice, not because of commonwealth.
So you are. Touché. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by HotelUser
You're not in the Canadian group :OQuote:
Originally Posted by Black_Apalachi
I'm not Canadian lol..