I'm sure I remember at the time Jin saying Oli would be AGM until new year? Then I got told Matt was resigning in the new year? So just wondering if we can expect general management changes soon?
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I'm sure I remember at the time Jin saying Oli would be AGM until new year? Then I got told Matt was resigning in the new year? So just wondering if we can expect general management changes soon?
Any rumours of Matt resigning are false, Matt won't be resigning for a good while yet. In terms of myself, It was agreed when I took on this role that I would stay until at least New Year however could leave at this point if I wanted to, i.e. thought it was too much work on top of uni, however I worked out a work-able balance and I can confirm that you shouldn't be seeing any General Management changes for a while as I'm not planning on going anywhere quite yet, Matt and Martin aren't so unless Alkaz plans to do a midnight flit, there'll be no changes :)
Is it me or is there a pattern:
- Matt Leaves Dept. Manager Position, becomes AGMQuote:
MattGarner resigns as forum manager but will continue as one of our Assistant General Managers.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=665885 - You leave Dept. Manager Position
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=669676 - You Become AGM
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=678636 - Bolt leaves Dept. Manager Postion
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=681266 - Bolt becomes AGM
Can we expect Jamesy to replace Alkaz any time soon?
I agree with this. I remember forum members having a go at someone via feedback of someone returning to a management position (Shar). However, doesn't General management have the same rule? I understand that Oli was needed in short notice, I just wondered why Martin is allowed to become AGM, is it because he 'was' the best person for the job and he hadn't left a long time ago or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
I want a girl general management member!! Roll on Nicola :'( (jks, I don't have a problem with it. Just wondering. :P)
I'm just curious if people are resigning just so they can get to the next step up since there isn't any real clear path of:
Dept Manager --> General Management
And if they don't resign then it's complicated for them to move up because they have to be replaced by someone as well which overcomplicates things with hiring new moderators promoting super moderators etc.
I don't think it's a case of people resigning just to get a higher position at all. They were obviously just the right people for the job and I completely agree with all General Management changes over the past however many months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
Well the difference between me and Oli is that I was Forum Manager while also Acting* as Assistant General Manager. Then I decided to resign and then a few months after It was officially announced I was AGM (Staff). Oh and I don't believe Alkaz is leaving any time soon either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
*The reason I was Acting AGM Staff is because the AGM Staff at the time (Sammeth) was ill with swine flu and Habbox Management at the time didn't know how long he would be away for.
Oli became AGM Staff because we needed someone who we knew who could do a good job and was going to be dedicated until around the New Year. When it came closer to the New Year myself and Jin decided he could stay for as long as he likes as we have no reasons to get rid of him.
Regarding Martin, he got offered to become Community AGM because is a friendly person and we seem him as they most suitable candidate to take over the Community side of things at Habbox and would do a good job. I'm not saying anyone else couldn't at the time but we thought this was our best option at the time.
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Originally Posted by Chippiewill
Well that doesn't work really because someone in the General Management Team would have to leave. No point resigning beforehand if they haven't been offered the job as then they don't work at Habbox at all.
Well, Bolt leaves after being manager for a long time, he could have been promoted at any time but the moment he leaves he's given AGM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicola
It seems like a case of not promoting people unless you have to so that you can avoid disruption. I guess I have no true evidence and as stated in the past I have no say in terms of management but if people aren't given opportunities / considered because they're a dept manager then that's unfair.
He didn't get the AGM job straight after he left his previous roles though, so I'm not sure where you are getting this one from. To be honest, I even think Roxy was still part of the management team when he left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
My view on this is quite controversial and as AGM Staff it's a policy I encourage most Department Managers to consider when hiring and promoting, at the end of the day jobs at Habbox (especially senior roles) need to be done effectively and because of that you need to hire the best person for the job, I believe that as long as that person has recently contributed to Habbox massively there should be no problem with hiring them in a General Manaement position, Departmental Management position or Senior Staff rank, when people resign from positions it's because of various reasons, I resigned because I needed to take at least a month off from Habbox to settle into university, once I had settled in I planned a return as a Super Moderator however was offered this role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minion
Other people resign for other reasons, I shalln't go into why Bolt660 resigned from his managerial post before, however I knew he was eagre to get back into Habbox somehow which is why I put him forward as a name for Community AGM when Matt asked if I had any ideas. Sometimes the person who has been in a position the longest etc really isn't the best person for the job and in my eyes as long as they have proved their worth at Habbox in recent times there's no wrong in hiring them, for instance we wouldnt hire the CH Site manager as our Content AGM etc.
I think it's been really deceptive. It seems that the background goings on when it comes to our general management team are always complicated and offer no transparency for the members. I was always lead to believe (even by staff/management) that Oli would be leaving and I'll be totally honest I don't understand why it was put across unless it was set in stone.
We all know that when Oli leaves Nicola will quit, return as moderator, quit and return as a super moderator? I understand that when your favourite people leave it takes the fun away ie I don't really like the forum as much because it doesn't include the legend that is James!
And no, that wasn't a dig at Nicola, I stated I'd feel the same.
Didn't they resign for a reason though? Then bang they return at a high position? I thought the whole point of Martin and also Sarah (even though she because SMOD and has now resigned) resigning because they didn't have enough time on their hand or they had enough or something? They 'threw in the towel' I don't see how they can return willy nilly but other people can't.
It wasn't long, less than a month. And just because someone hadn't left it doesn't mean that it wasn't on the table at the time. I'm not accusing management of fixing things but perhaps overlooking people because they're doing a good job elsewhere forcing them to take action to be given opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
How is that the case though? I was department manager and I got offered to become "Acting" AGM Staff and also carry on with my Forum Manager role because at the time it was only temporary due to Sammeth being away ill. Once he returned, I stayed on being AGM Staff and a few months down the line Sammeth got GM and I became the "Official" AGM Staff.Quote:
I have no say in terms of management but if people aren't given opportunities / considered because they're a dept manager then that's unfair.
Any current department manager has a chance of being part of the General Management Team if there is space.
Is Jamesy becoming* AFM?
I don't mind the current management team that Habbox have. It's just a bit misleading that's all.
Just that bottom bit Matt, how does everyone have a chance. I understand there was time between Roxy resigning and Martin becoming AGM is that the point where dept. managers should show how good they can be?
Can I also add:
Alkaz - Content Manager -> Content AGM
Roxy916 - Events Manager -> Community AGM
xxMATTGxx - Forum Manager -> AGM (Staff)
Garion - Forum Manager -> AGM (Staff)
There is a clear path from Department Manager to General Management, I think this includes me and Martin also as if I hadn't had to take my month off to settle into Uni and Martin hadn't had to take his month off we would have still been in the Dept Manager roles and we would have still been offered the roles.
Jamesy currently has no plans on returning to Habbox for the time being.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minion
And anyone else who has resigned as well clearly then, since Oli and Martin did? So there is no reason for department manages to try and aim for promotion if others who resigned come back before them.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
Not that I'm complaining about them getting it but just pointing it out :P
Obviously if there's no other choice then a Dept Manager would probably be picked but Martin was conveniently available afterwards so it was probably obvious to choose him as a candidate because he wouldn't have to be replaced etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
I disagree, it's nothing to do with ease of replacement or whether someone will need to be replaced, it is all about the best person for the job itself, If 80% of our Department Managers left their role (via promotion or departure) I could name a suitable replacement right here right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
There is reasons for them to aim for promotion, it just doesn't always go their way or to them. But General Management doesn't change on a daily/monthly basis and most of us are here long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinasaw
All the assistants? Apart from forum/graphics as there aren't one. (If I missed a department out I apologize :).)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hecktix
I'm all for the best person for the job. I just think more people should be given a chance, or at least considered if not.
Gonna have to say here but I know for all promotions within habbox more than one person is considered for a promotion. I know when I was management at habboxlive we had a list of at least 4/5 people most times to decide between on promotions so I don't think promotions are just rushed into without any thought :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Minion
But if someone looks snug and comfortable in their job like Martin was or as David is now then you would likely not consider them as a first choice. However say today David left but wanted to help out somewhere and tomorrow Alkaz also did so then David would be an obvious choice because he has managerial experience, wants to be back and would not be disrupting any departments in doing so (Although David would happily continue his current roles and take on new roles anyway :P).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hecktix
Oh I understand that :P I didn't mean it in that way. I just mean Habbox has an exceptionally good Assistant Manager base at the moment so they would probably be the best people to take up the role. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinasaw
Personally, when people resign from comps, I make them apply again to prove to me they want to return to the department for the right reasons. However, for general management, my opinion is slightly different in that there are a number of suitable people for the job outside of the department management (including those who resign) team that would do just as good a job. I'll be honest and I'm perfectly happy working beside Martin but I was crossing my fingers for Rosie to have a second chance as I remember when she was AGM before and she would've been a good one if it wasn't for the illness. The point being that this time, she was only a forum (super?) moderator.
Can we be honest here though, Nicola? Nobody leaves because they don't have enough time, then suddenly gain enough time to do an even more time consuming job :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicola
Also, we all know Oli was never going to leave. It is similar to me saying I am never going to post again. Yeah, right!
I dont think we can expect changes any time soon, but hey I might be wrong.
Although I would love to see some changes :P
I completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minion
I think the point everyone is trying to make is.. it's odd how someone can resign due to "lack of time" (oh how poetic), but then they find the time to come back at a higher "status" (if you will). Obviously if you had to resign for reasons then you'd have no interest in returning with more responsibility.
But then again, I'm not moaning. In all seriousness, I do think Martin is a fabulous Community AGM, and he resigned fully and came back, so hey.. I'm really not wanting to complain. At the end of the day, it really does come down to who is the best person for the job. From trialist to department management, there is a system and a structure to it; people know the ranks and people know the next promotion step.. but once it goes to General Management, we need to remember that this isn't structured and it shouldn't be structured. It's all down to choosing the best.
I do understand where you are coming from, and I do agree it is the best person for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathew
However, I still do think it should be the same for all departments.
Also agreeing with Matt, the reason people resigned was because they didn't have enough time I will agree people have been saying it they have came back with a more time consuming job. I think Habbox needs fresh faces.
Only read bits at the top about bringing back resigned Dept. Managers as General management and this is my comment:
When someone is given General Management they must now give up their role as a Dept. Manager to concentrate on their AGM role. I don't think Matt/Jin wants to take managers who are good at what they do out of their departments as that could be bad for the Dept. If they have the opportunity to bring someone back who is good enough to be AGM and wants to do it, then fair play to them!
Not gonna lie, would love the opportunity to be part of GM but i'd seriously think twice about taking the role knowing that i'd have to give up Rare Values. And i'm sure many other Dept. Managers would think twice too and may even reject the offer such as Mike and David who both love their depts.
Thats my piece anyway. I hope none of them leave, we've had enough GM changes for a while thankyou!
Sometimes just plucking people out of knowhere can make things worse. This has been proven on certain other fansites where "randomers" to that particular forum have been put in high position jobs and the whole community has kind of fell apart and stuff :P
Also, people have different reasons for resigning, and sometimes a little break can make all the difference after you've been doing something for over a year. :P
Yes, new faces are always nice to see, however I don't think it would work at all to put people into positions which require experience in certain areas of the job.
Habbox itself is doing really well again in my opinion, and I think it's going to continue to grow and succeed. This won't happen if there isn't a stable general management who all get on, work together, have unique ideas for their areas and have the passion to make this fansite brilliant. If you keep changing too much around then problems arise and things take longer to improve. I actually love this role, and I am going to do my upmost best to do well with it to ensure that habbox remains fantastic and to ensure that the community side of things are improved upon and our status on the hotel itself increased.
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Originally Posted by Bolt660
Totally agree with the bolded part, i left for a year and a bit then came back and worked my way back up into RV manager again, nice to have a break and come back with new ideas and more maturity.
It's the HxHD scenario all over again imo.
Was it Jordan who was put into position as you can only gain managerial skills with a role of being a manager.
I know the Gm role is more work and is looking over more departments but surely that requires being in the role too.
Just a question:
Say Joe resigned and David, who would become content AGM, would you make David it or would you rather choose Skizzling?
A little break can make a difference, so why can't you just post away for a few days instead?
However, I don't see how in some cases 2 days can make a difference.
We don't answer such questions because it isn't fair on anyone you have listed and hiring anyone into the General Management Team is up to myself and Jin. But I don't think this is the whole "HxHD scenario" again either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minion
Which person you aiming that to? Martin? Martin didn't go away for two days.Quote:
However, I don't see how in some cases 2 days can make a difference.
AGM Content could go to any of the Content Dept managers tbh, so News management could get it. It doesn't mean someone who can make pages (but it helps) its more overseeing content departments and thinking up new pages and content to put on Habbox. Content Design Manager (Calv) is the person who's main job is to make pages with HTML and coding etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minion
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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
I wasn't aiming it at a managerial role Sarah was in a managerial role and then resigned and came back 2 days later I think.
However, it's not a dig at Sarah, it was the only example I could think of :).
Not arguing or anything, I don't have anything wrong with the management team, I just think fresh faces are needed!
Also Martin was off for about 3 weeks I do agree that's enough time.
Also members on the forum wanted Martin to become (AGM) staff after Garion's departure, however it was Oli who stepped in if I'm not mistaken, and he was suppose to leave at New Year however I think he is doing a good job at the moment.
It wasn't very long at all, only a couple of weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx
Fresh faces!! Have you seen the amount of management resignations we've had. Fresh aint always best, Habbox Managers are like fine wine! We need time to age and then we taste better!Quote:
Originally Posted by Minion
LOL love metaphors
But I've been here almost 2 years and they are all near enough the same faces. However, atm I like most of the gm team so all good right? :P.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Danube-
Habbox Managers are like fine wine! If they're let out in the open they go sour and turn into vinegar.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Danube-