Ken Clarke brands UKIP 'clowns'

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Veteran Tory Ken Clarke has waded into his party's war of words with UKIP by branding them "a collection of clowns".

He said: "They of course have not been able to vet their candidates. Fringe right parties do tend to collect a number of waifs and strays...

"Some of them are saying quite different things now they are in politics than their actual views."

Asked whether he agreed with David Cameron's 2006 claim that UKIP was made up of "fruitcakes and closet racists", Mr Clarke replied: "I have met people who satisfy both those descriptions in UKIP.

"Indeed, some of the people who have assured me they are going to vote UKIP I would put in that category. I rather suspect they have never voted for me."

Mr Clarke said he was sure that "most of the UKIP people are perfectly nice when they are having a drink".

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Couldn't agree more. They act like a bunch of kids trying to get attention where ever possible and unfortunately who ever supports them is gullible(like the supporters of Lib Dems were) but UKIP ones are deluded and I kind of feel sorry for them as they don't realise it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22328898

oh god don't let @-:undertaker-:; see this, he will have a meltdown lol

omg my tag is failing @-:Undertaker:-;

I still fail to see how a party that is centred around such important issues (immigration & the EU primarily) is full of deluded members. But yeah let's keep the current god awful immigration system and remain in the EU and not challenge it because that is such a grand idea :)

They are not racist either before that is brought up.

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Originally Posted by Catchy

oh god don't let @-:undertaker-:; see this, he will have a meltdown lol

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So much this. RUN FOR THE HILLS

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Originally Posted by Intersocial

I still fail to see how a party that is centred around such important issues (immigration & the EU primarily) is full of deluded members. But yeah let's keep the current god awful immigration system and remain in the EU and not challenge it because that is such a grand idea :)

They are not racist either before that is brought up.

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No harm in challenging the idea as long as it is done in a sensible manner. People always moan about Polish or other Europeans stealing our jobs. They fail to see that we can also go and take their jobs, so why not do that? If anything, the EU is helping Britons to easily expand their job potential: the UK is mainly a service country and a not a manufacturer. The population of Britons (if you leave out any immigrant) is increasing and the number of jobs is always decreasing. The EU allows Britons to apply for jobs outside of this country and thus benefiting them. Trust me, this country will be in a worse economic position in 20-30 years time when India and China dominate the world and only highly qualified jobs are left in this country.

I don't see anyone moaning at how if a teenager from England goes to University in Scotland, they have to pay, however someone coming from another EU country can study in Scotland for free?

Ahahahaha another attack from the desperate Tories just before the local elections on Thursday - but again, not an actual attack on policy but mere slurs of the 'waycistssss!' or 'xenophobia!!' that we're so used of just because we advocate national independence and sensible immigration controls - the kind of policies that millions of Britons hold. Why doesn't dear old Ken (the man who advocated Britain joining the Euro) challenge UKIP on policy? why are the Tories running scared of the debate?

But you know, its clear Ken and the Tores want to make slurs and brandish and alienate thousands of voters, so here's something in return thats even nastier.

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Originally Posted by Telegraph comment

Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.

Tory Party Councillor(Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiplesex attacks on children.

Tory Party Vice-Chairmanof Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker - Received a banning order for stalkingwomen.

Tory Party MP (Billericay)Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic natureagainst teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

Tory Party Councillor (Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloadinghardcore child porn on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced toresign.

Tory Party councillor (Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year oldboy.

Tory Party Mayor ( NorthTyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion ofdownloading child porn..

Tory Party MEP, TomSpencer - Caught smuggling drugs and porn through customs.

Tory Party councillor and formerMayor (Wrexham), Michael Morris - Convicted and put on probation for 2 years,for the indecent assault of another man, which was captured on CCTV.

Tory Party Liaison Manageron the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who’s job includes running the ToryGLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn. He is currentlysuspended while the Police investigation continues.

Tory councillor (WirraIan McKellar led a secret life looking at indecent images of children.While his wife and two daughters slept upstairs, Ian McKellar spent hoursporing over child porn downloaded from the internet onto his computer. Ex-Tory councillor was sentenced after admitting child porn charges.

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So my generalisation is - Ken belongs to a party full of creeps and child abusers. See how low one can go?

Anyway, here is the Farage response to Clarke in the Telegraph...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...s-racists.html

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Originally Posted by Nigel Farage responds (Telegraph)

A furious Mr Farage responded by saying that Mr Clarke is a member of “of the bloated self-satisfied political machine”.

“It is obvious that Mr Clarke holds millions of people in this country in utter contempt. Ukip are attracting supporters from all three main parties and significantly those who have either not voted for over 10 years or have never voted before in their lives.

“Instead of slagging them off maybe he should try to wrap his head around the idea that Ukip are appealing to people due to the failure of the bloated self-satisfied political machine of which he is such a typical member.

“He obviously doesn't care and isn't at all interested in attracting those millions to vote for the Conservatives, well so be it. The way things are going they won't be doing so any time soon. “

Mr Farage added: “So stuck in his rut is he that he cannot understand that national independence, choice in education, lower simple taxes, direct democracy, serious border control, proper criminal justice and a host of other things make a positive program for national renewal.

“To him, like so many in the ossified elite these things are negative, well Mr Clarke they are not so to the general public.”

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Originally Posted by Since

People always moan about Polish or other Europeans stealing our jobs. They fail to see that we can also go and take their jobs, so why not do that?

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So wages in Poland and Eastern Europe are the same as over here are they? get real. But even if they were and Britons could go over and work there for good wages, we'd be able to do that outside of the EU by using work visas - just as the rest of the world uses.

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Originally Posted by Since

No harm in challenging the idea as long as it is done in a sensible manner.

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UKIP don't appear to be doing it in an insensible manner - some might consider it a bit extreme (I believe they wanted a 5 year freeze on emigration into the UK except for exceptional circumstances) compared to what we have at the moment, but they seem to be the only party trying to challenge the issue in a decent manner. Considering the situation has not improved under the coalition or the former labour party.

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The EU allows Britons to apply for jobs outside of this country and thus benefiting them.

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Most Britons simply cannot afford to emigrate to another country to uptake a job though. I'm not aware how 'generous' the benefits system is in other European Countries, but I would imagine it's much easier to gain access to benefits over here if you have only recently emigrated & are unemployed, compared to other countries in the EU.

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I don't see anyone moaning at how if a teenager from England goes to University in Scotland, they have to pay, however someone coming from another EU country can study in Scotland for free?

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I am confused where you are going with this point? :P

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Ahahahaha another attack from the desperate Tories just before the local elections on Thursday - but again, not an actual attack on policy but mere slurs of the 'waycistssss!' or 'xenophobia!!' that we're so used of just because we advocate national independence and sensible immigration controls - the kind of policies that millions of Britons hold. Why doesn't dear old Ken (the man who advocated Britain joining the Euro) challenge UKIP on policy? why are the Tories running scared of the debate?

But you know, its clear Ken and the Tores want to make slurs and brandish and alienate thousands of voters, so here's something in return thats even nastier.



So my generalisation is - Ken belongs to a party full of creeps and child abusers. See how low one can go?

Anyway, here is the Farage response to Clarke in the Telegraph...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...s-racists.html

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If Tories are full of creeps etc, UKIP leader is someone who cannot even teach values to his son:

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UKIP leader Nigel Farage's son, 21, facing a drunk and disorderly charge after 3am arrest in London street

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Originally Posted by Since

If Tories are full of creeps etc, UKIP leader is someone who cannot even teach values to his son:

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My dear, I don't think you understand that i'm not actually interested in trading ad hominem attacks back and forth, that was posted as a point on how debating politics on personal/non-policy areas is pointless because there is dirt on every party and always will be regarding that.

Not one attack by the Tories this week has been based on policy. Not one. As for the son of Farage, I couldn't care less lmao just as I couldn't care less that Gordon Brown had one working eye, that Margaret Thatcher was a woman, that Edward Heath was most likely gay etc etc.

I'm interested in policy and so are UKIP, the Tories however don't seem to be.

I believe a famous writer once said that politicians are all just clowns, so if anything admitting UKIP are a bunch of clowns means they are true politicians :P Ken Clarke MP can talk though, his party and Labour are a bunch of clowns too. Labour do exactly what you've claimed UKIP do - demand attention but not have any policies of their own to counter with.

Also, he must be worried about UKIP if he's taken to publicly scorning them. If they weren't a threat he wouldn't talk. It's quite pathetic really, a very Labour thing to do :P

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Originally Posted by Intersocial

UKIP don't appear to be doing it in an insensible manner - some might consider it a bit extreme (I believe they wanted a 5 year freeze on emigration into the UK except for exceptional circumstances) compared to what we have at the moment, but they seem to be the only party trying to challenge the issue in a decent manner. Considering the situation has not improved under the coalition or the former labour party.



Most Britons simply cannot afford to emigrate to another country to uptake a job though. I'm not aware how 'generous' the benefits system is in other European Countries, but I would imagine it's much easier to gain access to benefits over here if you have only recently emigrated & are unemployed, compared to other countries in the EU.



I am confused where you are going with this point? :P

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I don't think people actually realise how hard it is for someone from a Non-EU country to get a job here now? The companies have to advertise the job position here for several months through various reputable advertising agencies. They then have to conduct interviews and then prove to the government that they were unable to find someone good enough and they wish to bring in XYZ from so and so country as they are qualified. After this, it is very hard for the XYZ person to gain a permanent residence in this country due to changes in time lengths of visas.
So yes, the government is doing something about immigration and only specialised and required persons can get in the country.

The UK has severely made the benefits system strict by rolling out new limits, I believe it is just the start of the end of benefits.

In regards to Education at Scotland - I am saying that people constantly moan about same leave EU etc crap, but not about stuff which actually is stupid and outrageous (and costs taxpayers a lot of money) such as a English student having to pay for education in Scotland while someone from Sweden can get it for free in Scotland.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I believe a famous writer once said that politicians are all just clowns, so if anything admitting UKIP are a bunch of clowns means they are true politicians :P Ken Clarke MP can talk though, his party and Labour are a bunch of clowns too. Labour do exactly what you've claimed UKIP do - demand attention but not have any policies of their own to counter with.

Also, he must be worried about UKIP if he's taken to publicly scorning them. If they weren't a threat he wouldn't talk. It's quite pathetic really, a very Labour thing to do :P

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Ed Miliband is a moron. No doubt about it.

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Originally Posted by Since

Ed Miliband is a moron. No doubt about it.

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So are the other party leaders and their members, it's not that surprising these days to see monkeys throwing their faeces around :P Throwing stones in glass houses doesn't solve the problem, although it is quite entertaining from the electorate position.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Not one attack by the Tories this week has been based on policy. Not one. As for the son of Farage, I couldn't care less lmao just as I couldn't care less that Gordon Brown had one working eye, that Margaret Thatcher was a woman, that Edward Heath was most likely gay etc etc.

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We unfortunately live in a Democracy and the electorate do care.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

We unfortunately live in a Democracy and the electorate do care.

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Farage's son is of little to no importance, and it seems the media are trying to make a story out of something no one really should care about, unless Farage's son is the policy maker of UKIP or Culture Secretary? :P

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Farage's son is of little to no importance, and it seems the media are trying to make a story out of something no one really should care about, unless Farage's son is the policy maker of UKIP or Culture Secretary? :P

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The future newly created role of Alcohol Minister.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

We unfortunately live in a Democracy and the electorate do care.

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I don't think they do actually, I mean do you think people care about the fact Ed Miliband has a nasal voice or Farages son was involved in an incident? I certainly don't. On the news and in the political bubble these sort of stories seem to be plastered all over the screens and pages - which is maybe a reason why voting levels are falling year on year, because there's no actual differences between the parties so all that ends up being reported is worthless *** for tat. Who John Major has been sleeping with has never interested me and those sorts of things don't interest me now either.

It shows with the fact UKIP are picking up voters who haven't bothered to vote in years - because there's now an actual choice between more EU, more mass immigration, more comprehensive education or less EU, controlled immigration and a German-styled education system with grammar schools.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Farage's son is of little to no importance, and it seems the media are trying to make a story out of something no one really should care about, unless Farage's son is the policy maker of UKIP or Culture Secretary? :P

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The behaviour of Farage's son reflects not only the parenting skills of Farage (Which the electorate will believe is somehow related to his ability to run a country) but also reflects on the behaviour of Farage himself (Apples do not fall far from the tree).

Whilst I agree it is entirely irrelevant, we should not give the general electorate more credit than they're due.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

The behaviour of Farage's son reflects not only the parenting skills of Farage (Which the electorate will believe is somehow related to his ability to run a country) but also reflects on the behaviour of Farage himself (Apples do not fall far from the tree).

Whilst I agree it is entirely irrelevant, we should not give the general electorate more credit than they're due.

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Hmm, I suppose to some extent that is true. Cameron got so much abuse over leaving his daughter behind in a pub. Give her about 15-20 years and she might be the new version of Farage's son.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

The behaviour of Farage's son reflects not only the parenting skills of Farage (Which the electorate will believe is somehow related to his ability to run a country) but also reflects on the behaviour of Farage himself (Apples do not fall far from the tree).

Whilst I agree it is entirely irrelevant, we should not give the general electorate more credit than they're due.

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I hope your children are wonderful little darlings when they grow up with no faults or stupidity when drunken. I really do.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Hmm, I suppose to some extent that is true. Cameron got so much abuse over leaving his daughter behind in a pub. Give her about 15-20 years and she might be the new version of Farage's son.

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I think there's rather a difference between a father leaving a small child behind in a pub (which I happen to think is an innocent mistake anyway and totally irrelevent to Cameron being PM, as much as I dislike him) and a 20-something year old independent man being disorderly on a night out.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I hope your children are wonderful little darlings when they grow up with no faults or stupidity when drunken. I really do.

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This is entirely independent of my own beliefs, I agree that this ought not to reflect on Farage's capability at all and I do not believe it does, but there are a ton of people who whatever reason do.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

This is entirely independent of my own beliefs, I agree that this ought not to reflect on Farage's capability at all and I do not believe it does, but there are a ton of people who whatever reason do.

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Oh fair enough, got wrong end of stick. +rep & apologies.

But sadly thats true, but again i'd say its more of a 'big thing' in the political bubble rather than on the streets.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Oh fair enough, got wrong end of stick. +rep & apologies.

But sadly thats true, but again i'd say its more of a 'big thing' in the political bubble rather than on the streets.

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Nothing like a bit of political one-up-man-ship :P Would the masses really know about this?

Labour have now jumped in and have apparently sided with Cameron on ruling Farage out of the debates in 2015 - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ocal-elections ... heard mutterings that Labour top brass are now worried the way UKIP is taking away votes in their heartlands.

Either way it's a win-win situation. If Farage is excluded, it'll show how terrified the main closed shop parties are - if he's included then he'd wipe the floor with the three of them. Judging by the comments across all the sites, it [all thes attacks] have only cemented UKIP support.