Charlotte Church U-Turns on 70% Tax Pledge

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Charlotte Church U-Turns on 70% Tax Pledge

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Originally Posted by Guido

Charlotte Church’s mission to be reborn as a poundshop Russell Brand continues. The singer yesterday told an End Austerity Now protest that she would happily pay 70% income tax if it were to improve public services. In 2010 was reported to be worth £11 million.

When it was pointed out to Charlotte that there is nothing stopping her writing a cheque to the Exchequer, her mind was changed:

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I'm disappointed at the vitriol directed my way, if I gave 70% of my earnings to HMRC voluntarily, not only would it not last long as our...

— Charlotte Church (@charlottechurch) June 4, 2015

Public services cost 100s of billions to fund but I doubt it would encourage the richest in this country to get a conscience and follow suit

— Charlotte Church (@charlottechurch) June 4, 2015

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Crazy chick…

UPDATE: Here is Charlotte complaining about having to pay 40% tax before she became a crusader for the cause of social justice:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrQm8Uqoeo8

Another champage socialist, just like all the billionaires who support Obama in America like Warren Buffet but who is the biggest hypocrite around as he avoids paying as much tax as possible yet calls for everybody else to pay more. Or just like Richard Branson who says companies would flee the UK if we left the EU but who recently moved his HQ/tax base so some offshore tax haven. A shower of hypocrites.

If Ms Church wants more money for public services, then she should back my suggestions -

• Cut EU contributions (save £11bn+ pa)
• Cut Foreign Aid completely (save £11bn pa)
• Cut HS2 (£50bn)
• Cut all state funding to 'charities' (couple £bn a year)

And by the way, I am actually for people paying less tax and think people should avoid tax if they can (remember avoiding is legal and evasion is not). But what I can't stand is people like Charlotte Church preaching one thing and then doing the completely opposite. Hand it all over to HMRC pet.

Thoughts?

Supporting a rise in tax is different to writing a cheque to HMRC... bizarre.

Does she have an album or book out soon? Might as well have some extra publicity in the run up to release :P

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

• Cut EU contributions (save £11bn+ pa)
• Cut Foreign Aid completely (save £11bn pa)
• Cut HS2 (£50bn)
• Cut all state funding to 'charities' (couple £bn a year)

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I agree with all of that

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Originally Posted by conservative

Supporting a rise in tax is different to writing a cheque to HMRC... bizarre.

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This. She's happy to pay her part if its going to make a difference. If she's the only one who pays 70% then it'll make virtually no difference to front-line services and she won't see anything in return for the sacrifice.

This isn't a u-turn, this was always her position.

I also like how people think we can completely cut aid, and then expect to set up trade deals with the countries we are alienating by cutting aid from... #logic

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Originally Posted by conservative

I also like how people think we can completely cut aid, and then expect to set up trade deals with the countries we are alienating by cutting aid from... #logic

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Depends in what form that aid comes in. Quite a lot of aid is criticised for going to the wrong people and not really helping the general population, and trickles no further than those high up in the hierarchy.

Also, LEDCs could set up trade deals with larger MEDCs and see better long-term benefits than just having money chucked at them - assuming the deals are with companies that are independent from the state and not state-funded. The money could be put to better use helping set up fair trade deals which benefit the poorer countries seeing long-term benefits for both the richer and poorer countries.

Complete non-story. She didn't say she was going to give away anything, she said that she would if she was made to - which in itself isn't much of a statement since obviously she'd have no choice in the matter if that were the case :P

Now if only we could find an example of someone who did make a promise about their intentions and did a complete 180 when the terms of their promise became reality...

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Depends in what form that aid comes in. Quite a lot of aid is criticised for going to the wrong people and not really helping the general population, and trickles no further than those high up in the hierarchy.

Also, LEDCs could set up trade deals with larger MEDCs and see better long-term benefits than just having money chucked at them - assuming the deals are with companies that are independent from the state and not state-funded. The money could be put to better use helping set up fair trade deals which benefit the poorer countries seeing long-term benefits for both the richer and poorer countries.

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Better still; apply both.

Foreign aid works well if it is done properly.

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Now if only we could find an example of someone who did make a promise about their intentions and did a complete 180 when the terms of their promise became reality...

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:D :D :D

@conservative;
@Chippiewill;
@FlyingJesus;

"it's a non story" lol no it isn't. Here's a woman demanding higher taxes on higher earners... well go ahead love and make a point.

Whilst it won't make the massive differences she says we need, she can surely help as can other wealthy celebrities who keep calling for higher taxation but who strangely don't want to pay it themselves. From Jimmy Carr having a go at tax avoidance (whilst doing it himself) to the likes of Warren Buffet who purposely avoid tax. The list goes on and on and on. When they call for higher taxes, they don't mean themselves... they mean the people who can't afford to pay for clever financial lawyers to find loopholes. Just as Labour politicians who support comprehensive education don't send their kids to them.

As someone said, whats the betting that Charlotte Church herself has already used loopholes. I'm sure a newspaper/Guido will find something on it.

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@conservative;
@Chippiewill;
@FlyingJesus;

Whilst it won't make the massive differences she says we needs, she can surely help as can other wealthy celebrities who keep calling for higher taxation but who strangely don't want to pay it themselves. From Jimmy Carr having a go at tax avoidance (whilst doing it himself) to the likes of Warren Buffet who purposely avoid tax. When they call for higher taxes, they don't mean themselves... they mean the people who can't afford to pay for clever financial lawyers to find loopholes.

As someone said, whats the betting that Charlotte Church herself has already used loopholes. I'm sure a newspaper/Guido will find something on it.

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Not true. Why should she pay more than the government is asking for? It isn't her job to impose legislation, but she is still entitled to her view on it.

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Not true. Why should she pay more than the government is asking for? It isn't her job to impose legislation, but she is still entitled to her view on it.

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Because she has so many opinions on them and austerity and this and that and clearly wants them broadcast so why doesn't she lead the way, as she obviously wants in her campaign, and begin turning over the tax she thinks she ought to be paying? Answer? She has no intention of of paying up even if it were law.

By that long reach of logic Dan you ought to be packing your bags, since you don't want to be in Europe

Or PERHAPS it's possible for people to have opinions on stuff without making personal sacrifices that won't make an actual difference to anything :o and it's still not the story that you're trying to claim it as

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By that long reach of logic Dan you ought to be packing your bags, since you don't want to be in Europe

Or PERHAPS it's possible for people to have opinions on stuff without making personal sacrifices that won't make an actual difference to anything :o and it's still not the story that you're trying to claim it as

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I love European nation states and want them to continue to prosper so I actually belong here more than most.

As for Ms Church, yes she has a lot of opinions doesn't she and maybe it is time she actually put her money where her mouth is. But as I said above, the fact is that even if it became law she and the others (see Jimmy Carr) would employ lawyers (because they can afford to) whilst everyone else would be paying higher taxes so this stuck up stupid cow can feel good about herself. If she's going to start spouting off then she should organise a campaign for her and other celebrity luvvies to pay more tax and together they can make a huge difference to the tax intake. So why doesn't she?

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She has no intention of of paying up even if it were law.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

even if it became law she and the others (see Jimmy Carr) would employ lawyers

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[citation needed]
Oops, Dan's making up nonsense about people again

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

If she's going to start spouting off then she should organise a campaign for her and other celebrity luvvies to pay more tax and together they can make a huge difference to the tax intake. So why doesn't she?

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Do you organise campaigns for every opinion that you state publicly? Are you about to go out campaigning for Charlotte Church to make a campaign for higher taxes? WHY NOT YOU MUST BE A MUSLIM PIRATE LIBERAL

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[citation needed]
Oops, Dan's making up nonsense about people again

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Jimmy Carr already avoids tax as does Warren Buffet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18531008
http://www.wsj.com/articles/warren-b...per-1409095917

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Do you organise campaigns for every opinion that you state publicly? Are you about to go out campaigning for Charlotte Church to make a campaign for higher taxes? WHY NOT YOU MUST BE A MUSLIM PIRATE LIBERAL

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Oh yes because I am heading anti-austerity marches in London. :rolleyes:

Maybe she should take a leaf out of the book of Tony Benn, a hero of the left wing and a principled man, who was against hereditry titles or titles of any kind and fought to have the ability to drop his titles in the 1960s: and did so. He didn't sit and wait for all the other peers to drop theirs or for the Lords to go.

Jimmy Carr, Warren Buffet =/= Charlotte Church

Try again

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

@conservative;
@Chippiewill;
@FlyingJesus;

"it's a non story" lol no it isn't. Here's a woman demanding higher taxes on higher earners... well go ahead love and make a point.

Whilst it won't make the massive differences she says we need, she can surely help as can other wealthy celebrities who keep calling for higher taxation but who strangely don't want to pay it themselves. From Jimmy Carr having a go at tax avoidance (whilst doing it himself) to the likes of Warren Buffet who purposely avoid tax. The list goes on and on and on. When they call for higher taxes, they don't mean themselves... they mean the people who can't afford to pay for clever financial lawyers to find loopholes. Just as Labour politicians who support comprehensive education don't send their kids to them.

As someone said, whats the betting that Charlotte Church herself has already used loopholes. I'm sure a newspaper/Guido will find something on it.

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In theory there isn't anything stopping them from donating lump sums to the NHS (for example). They are NHS Trusts so you can easily donate sums of money to the trust. But investments seem to be something they refuse to do :/

It's strange how we're reverting back into being a country where the rich may soon be investing in society, yet they can't be bothered going that tiny extra step and actually doing it.