Are chimps people too?

[Ezzie.]

If they were classes into the "Human" familly, they would have the right to not be tested on tortured and could defend their rites

[Demynx]

if chimps are treated as humans then...does that mean Monkey presidents?

[entor M]

Nothing there requres any higher brain function, which is what makes humans specal. You could VERY easly get a computer to do all that and a whole lot more. You couldnt get a computer to do what a human can though... well at least not yet

[Ezzie.]

I was expecting you to reply dude :p what's with the new account? Anyways, one of the major points of this "experiment per say" is to prove that chimps are related to humans and share alot of things that we do, this can also prove laws against certain inhumane acts etc. Also if you program a computer it does that which requires a being of intelligence to configure it so that argument is flawed. Susan I think she was called who was raising the certain species of chimp wasn't actually "programming" the chimp like people in hollywood do to chimps to make them perform "tricks" she was guiding them as a mother would do to her children. If you haven't watched the programme I highly recommend all to do so as it's very interesting.

[entor M]

I was expecting you to reply dude :p what's with the new account?

God banned for proveiong to Ostinarto that blood is Red not blue... the quality of the admins here is just on the up and up *cough*

Anyways, one of the major points of this "experiment per say" is to prove that chimps are related to humans and share alot of things that we do, this can also prove laws against certain inhumane acts etc.

Earth worms and bannana are also very simlar to us geneiticly?
And Animal rights laws to exist already.

Also if you program a computer it does that which requires a being of intelligence to configure it so that argument is flawed.

No realy, It is quite possible to write computer software which is capable of learning. if you say the computer program cant be writen as thats cheeting, then being borns cheeting for an ape "/

Susan I think she was called who was raising the certain species of chimp wasn't actually "programming" the chimp like people in hollywood do to chimps to make them perform "tricks" she was guiding them as a mother would do to her children. If you haven't watched the programme I highly recommend all to do so as it's very interesting.

Theres a very fine line, custom and habbit is the main way humans learn also, it requres no higher level thinking for basic comprhention and learning. What makes something centaiant is the abilty to think about thinking... none of this is even relivent to proveing this point, and the chimp still remains none self aware, this is quite easy to prove as well as they lack the frontal lobe which is the part of the brain responcable for all that "/

[Ezzie.]

God banned for proveiong to Ostinarto that blood is Red not blue... the quality of the admins here is just on the up and up *cough*
*sigh* The intellectual capacity of the staff well put it this way, I got fired for being ill for a week ^^

Earth worms and bannana are also very simlar to us geneiticly?
And Animal rights laws to exist already.

True in fact bananas have a 16% genetical trait to ours and mice have a 94% if I can Remember right.


No realy, It is quite possible to write computer software which is capable of learning. if you say the computer program cant be writen as thats cheeting, then being borns cheeting for an ape "/

Whilst this is true a computer can only do a set amount of tasks it's artificial. the computer technically only has a certain amount of space to learn, a living sentient being has an almost infinite capacity to learn and adapt. Also computers don't develop cultural habits, mating rituals, etc etc.

Theres a very fine line, custom and habbit is the main way humans learn also, it requres no higher level thinking for basic comprhention and learning. What makes something centaiant is the abilty to think about thinking... none of this is even relivent to proveing this point, and the chimp still remains none self aware, this is quite easy to prove as well as they lack the frontal lobe which is the part of the brain responcable for all that "/

The researchers went into the jungle, they observed a group of senior chimps sitting around in a circle eating, if a female got near they got extremely irritated and shouted them off, if a child came near to them they would allow them to crawl all over them as they had the intellect to realise that the children were just "playing" and were not to be harmed.
Leading scientists who were interviewed at a certain conference or somthing or other and they all blatently said that in no way a chimpanzee is considering a member of the same tree as of a human's. Some people are so close minded that they are almost "threatened" that an ever evolving sentient being is acting more human like everyday. I use the term humanlike very loosely of course, humans and chimpanzees will always be different but they're showing alot of the factors of an "intelligent being"

[entor M]

Whilst this is true a computer can only do a set amount of tasks it's artificial. the computer technically only has a certain amount of space to learn, a living sentient being has an almost infinite capacity to learn and adapt. Also computers don't develop cultural habits, mating rituals, etc etc.

The Human Brain has a capasity which is roughly 3 petabytes.. Massivly more than computers at the moment, but theres already more **** than that on the net, to put it in prospective "/
Computers Can learn alot more than there made out to be able to. Even when given no real instructions at all. You create a small robot, its only task not to hit a wall and to keep moveing, combined with an abilty to work out if something works or doesnt.
First few trys it runs in to wall or does things randomly, Evenetaly it will figure out methods to deal with the problem. Have 30 robots doing the same, many of them will come up with differnt methods to the others. So this realy is indveridal learning on there part "/ The more advanced the computer, the more abilty to learn it can pick up "/
Mimicing humans though is easy, so leanring by copying doesnt actualy realy requre any advanced fucntion even in computing terms "/


The researchers went into the jungle, they observed a group of senior chimps sitting around in a circle eating, if a female got near they got extremely irritated and shouted them off, if a child came near to them they would allow them to crawl all over them as they had the intellect to realise that the children were just "playing" and were not to be harmed.

This is simple instinct, ants can do that o.0

Leading scientists who were interviewed at a certain conference or somthing or other and they all blatently said that in no way a chimpanzee is considering a member of the same tree as of a human's. Some people are so close minded that they are almost "threatened" that an ever evolving sentient being is acting more human like everyday. I use the term humanlike very loosely of course, humans and chimpanzees will always be different but they're showing alot of the factors of an "intelligent being"

Not realy there showing basic learning fasilitys, which if used and requred in there every day life, will eventaly lead to the slow immergance of higher thinking, as did with humans, as human life slowly became more complex, so did are minds, higher functions are what allowed us to do this. If another life form gets the same challenge following our route is not unlikly "/ But at current i dont belive theres anything to suggest higher functions "/

[Ezzie.]

I'm afraid at quarter past twelve by brain has died and partially ascended to heaven so I will get back to you tomorrow when it's come back down to hell

[Kpod]

Well there Brainy, and reports shown a few weeks ago that chimps could walk etc like us & probs talk.

[additional]

Intersting this was. Nice information.