*DEBATE* Should Muslim women be allowed to wear veils that show just their eyes?

[alexxxxx]

It's true.

I think that people should be discouraged about wearing the veil. At least in public (state) schools. It's to stop people from bullying each other.

I just think something as prominant as a full body veil is too graphic about other's differences.

[Acidulantes]

why what do atheists want that muslims are taking away from them?

[DarkSound]

they were banned from my school last year and like 2 people left because of it

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athiests were banned from school?

[mmhmm.]

athiests were banned from school?

um.. they cant do that.. public schools are supposed to be separate from religion

[FlyingJesus]

First off I'd like to make the point that I do not endorse the idea of total freedom. All freedom does is allow people to make wrong decisions. If we want a country that works effectively we need to really put our foot down on many issues, and one such issue is immigration and religion.

We are a predominantly Church of England country - that doesn't mean that most people here follow CoE teachings, just that it is the "official" religion of Britain. Hence, we should not be forced to stop any Christian festivals (as was said to be happening in the Birmingham area) just because immigrants don't like it. Excuse me if this sounds racist, but this is not their country.

We should not allow Britain to turn into the stop-off point for anyone who has decided they don't like the people in charge of their own country. If they choose to leave, they should accept our ways of life and not cause a fuss about things. Asylum seekers and other immigrants are technically "guests" in our country, and laws don't change around English tourists in other countries so why should we adapt?

You can say "they should have the freedom to wear what they want" all you like, but this is not just a matter of fashion, it's one of safety. If someone is walking around with nothing but their eyes showing, they can commit any number of crimes and not be traced. As someone else in this thread said, it's like having people wander round in balaclavas. Young people are often asked to remove hoods or caps in shops, so why should we not ask Muslims to remove their headwear if it is in the interest of public safety?

[BL!NKEY]

The reasons the Muslims move out of their countries is usually because of the freedoms in Britain and the USA. They see the freedoms and want to enjoy them too.

I don't think it is a big enough that they are wearing the veils. I think talking on a cell phone while eating breakfast and driving is more hazardous then wearing a veil.

They want to wear the veil and think it is more liberating to them. They feel if they show all of their skin they are just an object in the eyes of men. If they don't show their body then their body is more secrete and kept for the family.

You wouldn't tell an old lady to walk around the street in a short skirt and a see through top. It is embarrassing to them because they have different morals and traditions. The same with a Muslim women wearing a Hijab. They feel that they need to because of their traditions and morals.

If it was something really serious like if they were at court and needed to speak clearly they should take off their Hijab, but in normal life I don't see a need to make them do anything.

Those of you saying that they make you take off your crosses in Muslim countries so they should take their hijab off in your country are almost as people who say because the muslims flew planes into buildings with innocent people, we should purposely bomb innocent people in their countries.

[Acidulantes]

^^^ Bang on.

[HELENizSEXYaye?]

The reasons the Muslims move out of their countries is usually because of the freedoms in Britain and the USA. They see the freedoms and want to enjoy them too.

I don't think it is a big enough that they are wearing the veils. I think talking on a cell phone while eating breakfast and driving is more hazardous then wearing a veil.

They want to wear the veil and think it is more liberating to them. They feel if they show all of their skin they are just an object in the eyes of men. If they don't show their body then their body is more secrete and kept for the family.

You wouldn't tell an old lady to walk around the street in a short skirt and a see through top. It is embarrassing to them because they have different morals and traditions. The same with a Muslim women wearing a Hijab. They feel that they need to because of their traditions and morals.

If it was something really serious like if they were at court and needed to speak clearly they should take off their Hijab, but in normal life I don't see a need to make them do anything.

Those of you saying that they make you take off your crosses in Muslim countries so they should take their hijab off in your country are almost as people who say because the muslims flew planes into buildings with innocent people, we should purposely bomb innocent people in their countries.

well there shouldn't be so much freedom here, that's why this country has too many immigrants, and gives out millions in benefits.
there should be conditions to allow someone to stay in a country, and i think one of them should be that they should follow the way of life that is normal in the country.
it is completely stupid to compare asking someone to take off a veil, to bombing a country. All they're being asked to do, is take off an item of clothing. The veils are impractical, they make it hard for them to see, people can't see their expressions, and they could be hiding anything in them, it isn't fair that they get away with wearing one when some places won't let kids wearing hoodies in.
And you're saying the veil isn't a serious issue, so why is it such a big deal to ask them to take it off???
They complain about racism all the time but get more special treatment than any other religion? It's not their country, so why should it be changed to suit them. If they don't like the way it is, they shouldn't come.
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[BL!NKEY]

well there shouldn't be so much freedom here, that's why this country has too many immigrants, and gives out millions in benefits.

We are not talking about illegal immigrants in your country. This is just about Muslims who live in Britain in general. They could be third generation British and still wear the Hijabs. You think only you should have freedom and they shouldn't in your country?

there should be conditions to allow someone to stay in a country, and i think one of them should be that they should follow the way of life that is normal in the country.

Still think that freedom is one of the things that people leave their Muslim countries for and they should get the freedom to wear Hijabs.

it is completely stupid to compare asking someone to take off a veil, to bombing a country. All they're being asked to do, is take off an item of clothing. The veils are impractical, they make it hard for them to see, people can't see their expressions, and they could be hiding anything in them, it isn't fair that they get away with wearing one when some places won't let kids wearing hoodies in.

The reason I compared the veil to the bombing is because the people who enforce strong rules in the Muslim countries are not the one who wear the Hijabs in Britain. The people who bomb buildings are not the ones we would bomb if we bombed back innocent people in Muslim countries.

You think the veils are impractical but you don't see it from their point of view. They think it is liberating and feel naked with out them. Muslims are not cited for wearing veils when kids are for wearing hoodies because the Muslims are doing it for religious and reasons that actually mean something to them. Most kids are asked to take off their hoodies because they have headphones underneath and are showing disrespect by listening to music when being talked to.

And you're saying the veil isn't a serious issue, so why is it such a big deal to ask them to take it off???
They complain about racism all the time but get more special treatment than any other religion? It's not their country, so why should it be changed to suit them. If they don't like the way it is, they shouldn't come.
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I said it is not a big deal to the people who don't wear them. It is a big deal to them so i don't see why they need to take them off. They feel 10X more passionate about this issue then we do so I don't think we should make them not wear veils because we feel we cant see their facial expressions. They complain about racism because people are racist to them. The country isn't changed to suit them. It would be changed if a new law was made. The country has freedoms and that is why they go there.