*Debate* Should people believe in god(s) or is it fate? Closing 12th Dec

[Mentor]

Actually they get offended by religion if I said God created the Earth evolution dosn't exist I would get a ton of scientists jump down my throat

If you went up to a tree an insisted it was in fact a duck, youd also gotalot of people disagree, scientists tend to prove there point though, no leap of faith is necessarily. You may get a few idiots who dont know what there talking about, but there not scientists, and even the people who argue sensibly and have an understanding of the issues are still are not scientists there just people who disagree and will prove in reality it is otherwize.

Evolition can be demonstarted in a lab. Even bird flue is proof since it is a virus that evolved.

to boldk then what about when someone made that thread about wintervill or what ever how many people who were athiests straight away made some kind of refrences to muslims?

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and thats only a few and I know what you going to ask next how do I know their atheists well from the pole in the thread ' what is your religion' over 80% of posters said they were atheists ad if you balance the number of replys you get an idea( guesstemet)

No the racists, and idiots, that has little to do with being athiest, you get rasit theists and athists.
An athiest really cant argue that this is a christian conatry ether, since an aithiest wouldnt be celibrateing the birth of christs, just celibating the midwinter festival.

I actually found a video on youtube which frankly I found discusting and it was by a Christen minister it was basically saying anyone who isn't christien is a satanist (sp?) which I strongly disagree with which is why i think you should be free the have any beleifs you want

You get that, its called the fundamentlists, there the sort of people who thank got for the sunarmi, and firebomb abortion clincs and pretty much make up the ranks of all terrorists, whether the fundamentalist; christians, muslims or something else.
This is what i belive is the danger of religion. A normal faith, is not a problem and as i said orignaly, i belive a theistic belief isnt necessarily a bad thing and can be benifical to some people.

[Dan2nd]

If you went up to a tree an insisted it was in fact a duck, youd also gotalot of people disagree, scientists tend to prove there point though, no leap of faith is necessarily. You may get a few idiots who dont know what there talking about, but there not scientists, and even the people who argue sensibly and have an understanding of the issues are still are not scientists there just people who disagree and will prove in reality it is otherwize.

Evolition can be demonstarted in a lab. Even bird flue is proof since it is a virus that evolved.


No the racists, and idiots, that has little to do with being athiest, you get rasit theists and athists.
An athiest really cant argue that this is a christian conatry ether, since an aithiest wouldnt be celibrateing the birth of christs, just celibating the midwinter festival.

You get that, its called the fundamentlists, there the sort of people who thank got for the sunarmi, and firebomb abortion clincs and pretty much make up the ranks of all terrorists, whether the fundamentalist; christians, muslims or something else.
This is what i belive is the danger of religion. A normal faith, is not a problem and as i said orignaly, i belive a theistic belief isnt necessarily a bad thing and can be benifical to some people.

Lol you know your stuff man I'm pulling out of this debate because your words keep getting longer and out of my brain range

Well back to the original question.

My view is that religion is perfectly fine as long as it isn't shoved down the throats of other people, which is where problems come in.

Which, unfortunately is something that seems to be happening a lot in Britain these days with a Labour government which is bending over backwards for the minority but not thinking about the majority.

Religion is not the problem, other people's attitudes towards it are.

one more thing I'm a religous guy but no one at college really knows =]

[RedStratocas]

Actually they get offended by religion if I said God created the Earth evolution dosn't exist I would get a ton of scientists jump down my throat

That doesnt mean they are offended, thats just called arguement. If you told me that clouds were made out of marshmellows, and I tell you they arent, and I have proof, that doesnt mean Im offended by you saying that.

to boldk then what about when someone made that thread about wintervill or what ever how many people who were athiests straight away made some kind of refrences to muslims?

What? There were just as many christians saying that as everyone else, that isnt an arguement.

[Jin]

I don't really fear a religious dark age as such, as we're too far past that for it to happen.

Yeah I agree with this, the dark age was just a matter of ignorance, ignorance to believe that there is an explanation which doesnt rely on a higher being

Man I got told Lol. I do however think atheists are normally first to point he finger towards certain religions when it comes to terrorism

But do you think that these terrorist use god as an excuse, the minority that are muslim extremist seem to use gods name to justify their actions in a similar way George W Bush has also been known to make many referals to "God" in his speechs which he has used to base his actions/motions upon.

But back to the topic on hand,

Is there are spiritual being controlling our lives or is it predetermined before our existance or is it based on our own personal choices?

[YoManGo!]

No the racists, and idiots, that has little to do with being athiest, you get rasit theists and athists.
An athiest really cant argue that this is a christian conatry ether, since an aithiest wouldnt be celibrateing the birth of christs, just celibating the midwinter festival.

With you completely there, I would actually say there's more racist theists than atheists. For example the Christian and Muslim communities might not get on (which is strange when they are both very similar and hold many of the same views; monotheism etc etc), whereas an atheist would just not join in argument and confrontation with (other) religious groups.

Yes, organised religion does cause conflict and tensions within our society, and I myself put this down to people wearing their religions as badges of honour almost. A Christian doesn't want Muslim doorknockers in the same way the Muslim doesn't want people to try and convert them to Christianity. When people take up 'my religion is better than yours' views, that is when the problems occur, private religious practise can be a very beneficial thing, but it should only be made public within the correct community.

Myself, I am agnostic, my mother was a strong Catholic and my dad an atheist, I suppose it's like a happy medium. The reason that I'm not atheist is probably because the Catholic ideologies that were drilled into me as a child have stuck with me slightly. But whatever, that’s not the point, my point is religion when it is forced to between different communities causes racism, probably more so that atheism.

[---MAD---]

Yeah I agree with this, the dark age was just a matter of ignorance, ignorance to believe that there is an explanation which doesnt rely on a higher being




But do you think that these terrorist use god as an excuse, the minority that are muslim extremist seem to use gods name to justify their actions in a similar way George W Bush has also been known to make many referals to "God" in his speechs which he has used to base his actions/motions upon.

But back to the topic on hand,

Is there are spiritual being controlling our lives or is it predetermined before our existance or is it based on our own personal choices?

Terrorists definatly use religion as a weapon when hiring "staff" and they also usually aim for the uneducated or those that are having a very bad life and hope for a better life after they are dead.

I think people are free to believe in whatever they want to and some people just take this freedom over board by fighting for their belief in a war or whatever.

[DiscoPat]

If they are showing there faith by for example, when they are alone or in there holy building, I don't find that wrong, as it's for your own, but if you 'believe' in God just to show of or anything like that then I find it wrong.

[Lµke]

Personally i uset to believe in 'God' as such, but ever since i lost my uncle, and my family has come under harm times, i stopped beliving in it. I believe that life is what you make it, and that things happen for a reason, not because God points his finger and smites us down.

Theres many flaws in christianity itself, i mean theres two versions of the so called 'Bible' the new and old testament, and that it was passed down by that many people, half of it is so exagerated anyways, so how can we believe half the stuff thats in it?

I'd also like to point out that its been scientificly proven that Adam and Eve could of been two tiny microscopic orgasims on a plant or anything, 'God' created no-one.

[RedStratocas]

My entire family really lost faith when my grandma, a very huge catholic, died on christmas day (we were never really religious before, but this took the cake)

[Herman]

Everyone has the right to believe in what they want. But I agree with the person who said that people who go to war just to fight for what they believe is going abit overboard.