Praying and How It Helps (Or Most likely Doesn't)

[Ezzie.]

Yes, but i take it you havent? since you seem to have neglected to take in to account which genisis? 1 or 2? the storys are very differnt.


o.0 so your saying you saw some good arguments, and then my counter agument was to complex for you to understand, hence you belive the orignals stand?
I seriosly think my counter was incredibly simplictic, currenly its written a reading age likenable to the Suns o.0

And please present to me a decent argument, mine is apriori, not an empirical one, hence is hard to refute with a posterioi knowledge since your dealing with a being supposedly metaphysical to start with "/

You're mindlessly babbling again.

I never knew the Sun had a reading age? Where did you come up with that anaology? The mind reels..

Where did i state my mind was too simple to understand your simplistic and one sided view?

Your last paragraph did not make sense as it was illegible. The basic jist of it is saying that because your views seem superior to mine in your own head, then by no doubt, my god isn't real, just because you're an athiest has no reason for you to "Bash" other people's views.

[luke-p]

In July my dad had a heart attack and it didn't look to good he was in intensive care for 3 days on a ventilator... Praying made me feel slightly better makes you feel that everything will be alright. But praying doesn't work, About 2 weeks after he came out of intensive care he needed a double heart bypass and i started praying that everything would be alright it was but 5-6 hours later he needed to go back into theater because his blood pressure wouldn't rise... Praying.. isn't a magical force its purely psychological

[Mentor]

You're mindlessly babbling again.

Translation: what you said was to complicated for my puney brain to understand

I never knew the Sun had a reading age? Where did you come up with that anaology? The mind reels..

Well it definilty shows your genral knowlage hovers around zero... thats possibly the stupiest thing ive ever head, im obviosuly refering to the NewsPaper, how redicusly ignorant can you get?

Where did i state my mind was too simple to understand your simplistic and one sided view?

*points up* You would have been able to offer a rebuttled insted of ignoreing it if you wernt stupid, so it logicly dicates that becuse your unable to you must therefor be stupid.

Your last paragraph did not make sense as it was illegible. The basic jist of it is saying that because your views seem superior to mine in your own head, then by no doubt, my god isn't real, just because you're an athiest has no reason for you to "Bash" other people's views.

No what i said, was my agrument was a simple logical flow. Like 2 + 2

Your agrument is Non existant

Obvously a REAL argument is better than your NO agrument at all, hence based on the evidance, im right, you wrong and to stupid to accept it.

Now offer a rebulltel or im going to have to conlude your to stupid to even bother argueing against.

[Dan2nd]

Your agrument is Non existant

Obvously a REAL argument is better than your NO agrument at all, hence based on the evidance, im right, you wrong and to stupid to accept it.

Now offer a rebulltel or im going to have to conlude your to stupid to even bother argueing against.

I admit I have no proof my God exists and I have no proof he listens to my prays but where is your proof he dosn't exist ? Do you have any? Does anyone ? Do you have proof hes not listening ? The only proof I do have is the happiness I've had since I've invited God to enter my life through pray. So in my opinion your arguement is non existant. I've also said many times God is perfect yes but he still welcomes our prayers even if they do question it. This is because we connect to God through prayer and God wants to connect with us

[RedStratocas]

I admit I have no proof my God exists and I have no proof he listens to my prays but where is your proof he dosn't exist ? Do you have any? Does anyone ? Do you have proof hes not listening ? The only proof I do have is the happiness I've had since I've invited God to enter my life through pray. So in my opinion your arguement is non existant. I've also said many times God is perfect yes but he still welcomes our prayers even if they do question it. This is because we connect to God through prayer and God wants to connect with us

I agree that there is no proof in either direction that he/she does or does not exist, but after you said that, you started talking about what he is like and what he does. We dont even know if there IS a god, let alone what he wants and what he thinks.

[Dan2nd]

I agree that there is no proof in either direction that he/she does or does not exist, but after you said that, you started talking about what he is like and what he does. We dont even know if there IS a god, let alone what he wants and what he thinks.

Yes but i was saying what i think God is like based on my beleifs and there is also no proof there is NO God thats why i don't get why people insist on trying to shoot religious beleifs down because the arguement has no end ! it is circular if you get what I mean.

[RedStratocas]

Yes but i was saying what i think God is like based on my beleifs and there is also no proof there is NO God thats why i don't get why people insist on trying to shoot religious beleifs down because the arguement has no end ! it is circular if you get what I mean.

I think arguement between relgious and non religious people is actually healthy, its good for balence.

[Mentor]

I admit I have no proof my God exists and I have no proof he listens to my prays but where is your proof he dosn't exist ? Do you have any?

i wasnt arguing that there was no god, there is no proof ether way, thats purely a matter of faith, and is pretty irrelevantly to my argument.

My argument was that anyone who believes in the default Christan god concept, cannot also believe that god will answer preyer's for things, because it incurs a logical contradiction in the concept.
My argument only refers to prayer asking for thinks, be it a new playstation, or world peace.

Does anyone ? Do you have proof hes not listening?

No, but i have present proof that if he is he will not answer any prayers since if he did, you are left with him ether having made a mistake in what he did originally, aka not perfect, or doing something imperfect, which goes against his benevolence.

The only proof I do have is the happiness I've had since I've invited God to enter my life through pray.

Thats an subjective opinion not proof.

So in my opinion your arguement is non existant.

No, im quite sure it is, be it encoded in 8 bit ascii on a server somewhere, scroll back up if you dont belive me.

I've also said many times God is perfect yes but he still welcomes our prayers even if they do question it. This is because we connect to God through prayer and God wants to connect with us

Whether he listens or not is irrelevantly. my argument is that it cannot change goes actions, hence prayer for things, is useless.

Im only referring to prayer for things, other types of prayer are NOT covered by this argument, i did state this back when i originally put forward the argument, although im not sure everyone has understood this.

This entire argument is based on god hypothetical existing as the christan concept, so i dont understand how you managed to get the idea in to your head i was attempting to disprove god, which is logicaly impossible due to the nature of the concept.

[Dan2nd]

I think arguement between relgious and non religious people is actually healthy, its good for balence.

Yes i agree to start with its good when mentor and i started the debate it was quite good but soon enough he said something about god being perfect and how prayer is pointless and the debate turned into me just repeating myself every post and him calling me stupid lol

No, im quite sure it is, be it encoded in 8 bit ascii on a server somewhere, scroll back up if you dont belive me.

I'm laughing my socks off mate :rolleyes:

[Mentor]

Yes i agree to start with its good when mentor and i started the debate it was quite good but soon enough he said something about god being perfect and how prayer is pointless and the debate turned into me just repeating myself every post and him calling me stupid lol

Actually i was calling Ezzie stupid, id given you credit for actually being able to comprehend a simple logical argument, but see how you decided to completely ignore everything i just said, i may have misjudged "/
The only thing worse that stupidty is self inflicted ignorance, and ignoreing and blanking out any views that challenge your own, becuse you subcounsily know your probably wrong, and are just attempting to delude yourself is exsacty that, whats more its pathetic.

If your not going to debate, dont join a debate. The people i get annoied at are those whom enter a debate they fail to enter any form of rebuttle against an agrument, and make stupid clames without bothing to actualy read whats been said.

I'm laughing my socks off mate :rolleyes:

It wasnt supposed to be funny, its literally true. Were you actually Seriously trying to say the argument i present does not exist? Do you understand what the word exists means?