Guide To vegetarianism - What you didnt know !

[LeftForDead]

THEY FREAKIN WELL DO!
I live on a farm! We produce Beef, Lamp, Pork, Ostrich and milk, as well as vegetables.
The producer will still get paid, because the supermarket would still buy it.


Go to a farm shop, geeze.

So your telling me, that if people stopped buying meat off you until you changed something, you would still carry on like you are even if it puts you out of bussness?

[GommeInc]

I think that quote sums it up. Say all you want about what's designed for us and what isn't, the teeth aren't like that to look pretty.

Yet people refuse because they do not understand their body and its needs...

We were meant to eat meat, regardless to whether you "feel" an animals pain. Vegan is just worse...

[:Liam]

A human can live without meat, They can be just as healthy as anyone who eats meat, Nowadays anyway, Years ago they would of been quite unhealthy but due to advances in technology and science its been made possible to make meat substitues with just as much protein as actual meat. There is a new grain that has been grown and a small portion of it contains as much protein as 3 rashers of bacon!

[LLLgonza]

yes comanda, that is exactly what I mean.

If the shops don't buy it, someone else would.

"Dog Food" comes to mind!

[FlyingJesus]

Just because we can make substitutes, does that mean we should? We dont have to eat chocolate, but we do.

Many animals in the wild eat meat, so why shouldn't we? We are omnivores, designed to eat meats and plants. You're all for natural fairness, so why interrupt the natural human process of consumption of carcasses?

[Oni]

Many people consider vegetarianism as something easy, it really isn't there are so many things people didn't realize vegetarians cant eat.

• Additives
• Albumen Derived from eggs, probably battery.
• Alcohol Many alcoholic drinks are fined (ie clarified) using animal ingredients, see beer and wine. Spirits are suitable for vegetarians except for some Russian and Eastern European Vodkas which may have used bone charcoal in their production. Watch out for cochineal in Campari.
• Alpaca Animal derived clothing material.
• Anchovies Small fish, found on pizzas and in some brands of worcester sauce.
• Angora Animal derived clothing material.
• Animal Fat Carcass fat not milk fat.
• Aspic Savoury jelly derived from meat or fish.

• Beer All cask conditioned "real" ales will have been fined with isinglass, and some keg, bottled and canned bitters, milds and stouts also. Lagers are generally chill filtered, but some brands may use isinglass on occasion (see also Beer from the Alcohol Info Sheet).
• Beta-carotene A colouring from carrots however sometimes stabilized with meat.
• Biscuits Quite likely to contain animal fats.
• Bone Used in bone china and cutlery handles.
• Bread Most large producers use vegetable based emulsifiers (E471, E472 etc), but local bakers may not. Some bakers may grease the tins with animal fat.
• Breakfast cereals Often fortified with vitamin D3.
• Brushes Animal hair is commonly used for paint and shaving brushes.
• Butter Pure butter is suitable for vegetarians.

• Capsules Usually made from gelatine, vegetarian alternatives are coming onto the market.
• Cashmere Animal derived clothing material.
• Catering/Cookery Training may require the handling of meat.
• Caviar Fish eggs. The fish must be killed to obtain the eggs.
• Cheese Likely to have been produced using animal rennet.
• Chewing gum Often contain glycerine. Wrigleys use a vegetable glycerine.
• Chips May have been fried in animal fat.
• Chitin Produced from crab & shrimp shells.
• Chocolate Watch out for whey and emulsifiers.
• Clothing Many materials derived from animals, others causing environmental problems.
• Cochineal E120, made from crushed insects.
• Crisps Often use whey as a flavour carrier, ready salted are the only clearly vegetarian flavour, though some beef crisps are flavoured with yeast extract and are therefore suitable.

• Down Usually from slaughtered ducks or geese, though some live plucking does occur, used in bedding.

• E numbers Hardly any are suitable ( coke contains suitable e numbers)
• Edible Fats Can mean animal fats.
• Eggs Some vegetarians may wish to avoid battery eggs and/or barn eggs. The Vegetarian Society does not award its Logo to any products containing eggs other than free range.
• Emulsifiers May not be vegetarian.

• Fast Food Watch out for Bean/Vegetable burgers being cooked with fish/chicken/meat products.
• Fatty Acids May be of animal or vegetable origin.
• Feathers Clothing material
• Felt Made from wool or fur.
• Fur Clothing material

• Gelatin/GelatineA gelling agent derived from animal ligaments, skins, tendons, bones etc. Alternatives such as Agar Agar, Carageen and Gelozone exist.
• Glycerine/Glycerol May be produced from animal fats, synthesised from propylene or from fermentation of sugars. Mostly suitable ( look for the v)
• Gravy Vegetarian gravy mixes are available. Be careful in restaurants.

• Honey Avoided by most vegans.

• Ice Cream Look out for non dairy fats, E numbers, eggs.
• Isinglass A fining agent derived from the swim bladders of certain tropical fish, especially the Chinese sturgeon. See Alcohol.

• Jelly Usually contains gelatine though alternatives are available.

• Lactose Produced from milk, sometimes as a by product of the Cheese making process .
• Lanolin Produced from sheep's wool. Used to make vitamin D3.
• Leather Around 10% of the value of an animal at slaughter is in its skin.
• Lecithin Nearly always produced from soya beans, though can be produced from eggs.

• Margarines May contain animal fats, fish oils, vitamin D3, E numbers,whey, gelatine.
• Mohair Animal derived clothing material.

• Olive Oil No problems! Just worth knowing about.

• Pasta May contain eggs.
• Pastry May contain animal fat.
• Pepsin Enzyme from a pig's stomach, used like rennet.
• Pet Foods Dogs are omnivorous and can be fed on an exclusively vegetarian diet. Canned and dried dog foods are available.
• Photography All Photographic film uses gelatine.
• Postage Stamps The backing glue is free from animal products.

• Rennet An enzyme taken from the stomach of a newly killed calf used in the cheese making process. Vegetarian cheese is produced using microbial or fungal enzymes.
• Restaurants Watch out for non-vegetarian cheese
• Roe Fish eggs, Caviar .

• Shellac Secreted under tree bark by insects. To be treated in a similar way to Honey.
• Shoes Quality synthetic shoes are becoming more widely available.
• Silk Harvesting silk used in invariably causes the death of the silk worm.
• Soap Many soaps are not vegetarian since they use animal fats and/or glycerine. Vegetable oil based soaps are quite widely available.
• Soft Drinks Some canned Orange drinks use gelatine as a carrier for added Beta Caratine. (This would not appear on the ingredients panel).
• Soup Watch out for the stock.
• Spirits (alcoholic that is!) possible problems with fining and filtering.
• Stearic Acid May be vegetarian or not.
• Stock May contain animal fat.
• Suet Usually made from animal fat, vegetable versions are available.
• Sweets Look out for gelatine in boiled sweets and mints, and cochineal in boiled sweets and Smarties. (some vegetarian sweets are listed by chocolate manufacturers.)

• Toothpaste Many brands contain glycerine.

• Vegan The Vegan Society produces The Animal Free Shopper which lists branded products suitable for vegans .
• Vitamins Vitamin D2 is produced by sunlight acting on bacteria, however D3 is derived from lanolin from sheeps wool therefore only D3 which is guaranteed sourced from wool sheared from live sheep is considered acceptable.
• Seedling Symbol You can be sure that any products carrying the Vegetarian Society's V symbol have been thoroughly checked to ensure they are suitable for vegetarians.

• Washing powder Soap based powders may contain animal fats.
• Whey Whey and whey powder are usually by-products of the cheese making produce which mainly uses animal rennet.
• Wine May have been fined using isinglass, dried blood, egg albumen, gelatine, chitin. Vegetarian alternatives include bentonite, kieselguhr, kaolin and silica gel. Non vintage port is fined with gelatine.
• Wool may not be so sheep friendly.
• Worcester Sauce Most brands contain anchovies.

• Yoghurts Some low fat yoghurts contain gelatine.

Hope you found this helpful LiamMonty, For anymore information on vegetarianism PM me

I got bored after abit but im vegitarian and everything in black you can do. VEGITARIANS CAN WEAR LEATHER BUT VEGANS CANNOT AND VEGITARIANS CAN EAT EGGS!!! Your list is vegan not vegitarian and you are trying to gain popularity through vegitarianism and act as if you are hard and its a big thing when infact it is not.

[piddle2k6]

That list is if you are really really picky i guess... I mean who is going to ask in a restaurant if it contains.. "blah blah" ??

[alexxxxx]

So your telling me, that if people stopped buying meat off you until you changed something, you would still carry on like you are even if it puts you out of bussness?

Well. You will get money from the government for growing crops and livestock. In some countries, some governments will pay for the crops which are not sold. They are disposed of, but they still get cash. I don't know what it is like in this country.

[:Liam]

I got bored after abit but im vegitarian and everything in black you can do. VEGITARIANS CAN WEAR LEATHER BUT VEGANS CANNOT AND VEGITARIANS CAN EAT EGGS!!! Your list is vegan not vegitarian and you are trying to gain popularity through vegitarianism and act as if you are hard and its a big thing when infact it is not.

I did state that its a list for vegetarians and vegans. However Strict vegetarians do not wear leather! All the fish derived products you highlighted are not vegetarian, Vegetarians Do not eat fish, If they do they are not classed as vegetarian they are classed as pescatarian. Also some vegetarians dont like the handling of meat either.

[English]

First off - there is a food chain in this world. It starts down from the small mammals/insects/plants and goes up & up and up and guess what? We are at the top. Mammals eat other mammals, are you going to go start preaching to animals to stop eating other animals? No I don't think you will so don't start preaching to humans. On from that point if the majority of humans were to become vegetarians then what exactly would happen? Less mammals would be bred so therefore the animals wouldn't have lived atall. Humans give them life by breeding them for our food, and then we take it away. Hell if we gave up eating meat then we would be over-populated with animals and that wouldn't be too good.

At the end of the day, when I tuck into my lovely roast beef with all the trimmings I am thinking about myself - number 1 in the food chain. And when I stay healthy because of this meat which helps growth/repair in my body and I go on to have healthy children then I am totally not giving a **** about what you're saying.