Giving out eMail's

[Mentor]

He makes a good point...

So you can be contacted, i for one am happy to be contactable on IM or Email by anyone who wished to do so o.0

But then what happens when a staff member gives it out :p

Whats wrong with staff members being avaible on IM networks?

If we had allowances it would be our fault for allowing it to take place. And regardless, yeah its our mod, do you expect us to put rules into place saying "Normal members can give out emails, staff can't" ? That's a bit unfair.

1) No its not, Vb forum has email features directly built in to it as well as the user selectable option to show or hide it. IM adresses are also built in to it... out of the 100s of forums out there, far bigger than this one, nearly all(if not all) allow people to exchange email.
What difference is there from swapping Myspace adresses or any other website adress? its not your responciblity to moniter it. It would be like a shop not allowing shoppers to leave with any products, in case they were then held responcible for that person getting robbed.
2) why cant staff exchange emails?

Also, the exchange happened via our Private Message system. We "allowed" it to take place thus started it, and if we had stopped it the whole thing wouldn't have happened. HOWEVER it's very important to note that this is hypothetical because "Helen Cross" was a forum member using a proxy site trying to trick us :p

1) you were never liable, just gullable. If it was real, and had actualy progreesed the case wouldnt even make it in to court. Habbox is not responcible for how people user there own computers and conduct themselves on the rest of the WWW.

We can be responsible because we allowed it to take place.

IS a shop responcible if someone gets robbed when takeing home a bag of mechancdice from it?
No.
The exchange of an email, website, myspace, name etc. is all at the users risk. Habbox has no responciblty to moniter how this information is used, or what is done with it.

If the rule is in place, we allowed our Habbox users, within our control, guidance, and rules, to create a means to take the conversation off of the forum.

Which you have no right to take away. You run a forum, not a world wide dictatorship you know.

Also, the argument could be brought up, "My kid was 12 he doesn't know how to judge a pedo!" and even with disclaimers its not 100% possible to offset that.

The argument is, if a parent lets the kid use the internet un minded if there child that stupid, social services should probably be paying em a visit. Its the parents responciblty to look after there kid. Not yours, you look after a FORUM.

I don't know the exact legal technicalities, I'm a teenager in high school so I could be wrong, I'm not a student of law, but I think I have it generally though I may be completely off, and if I am feel free to correct me :p

You have no Right, Responciblty, Dutly, Obligation or any even remote requrement to look after a user, when they are no longer use the habbox website or forums. Thats what the parent or gardian is supposed to be doing.
Do you real think, everyone from the BBC to microsoft would let users exchange emails if they were in the sligest bit liabel. The email service operates themselves arent even liable. Neverlown a little habbo based forum which allowed two users to swap an email adress (a public contact means)

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So you can be contacted, i for one am happy to be contactable on IM or Email by anyone who wished to do so o.0

But I know certain members who you despise you wouldn't want having your IM.

Whats wrong with staff members being avaible on IM networks?

If they do something wrong we get complaints and possible action.

1) No its not, Vb forum has email features directly built in to it as well as the user selectable option to show or hide it. IM adresses are also built in to it... out of the 100s of forums out there, far bigger than this one, nearly all(if not all) allow people to exchange email.
What difference is there from swapping Myspace adresses or any other website adress? its not your responciblity to moniter it.

The difference is the majority of forums cater mainly to adults who are good with their own safety and its more difficult to endanger.

It would be like a shop not allowing shoppers to leave with any products, in case they were then held responcible for that person getting robbed.
2) why cant staff exchange emails?

Not quite, I'll get to it when you mentioned the Shop thing below. And because we could get angry people because of it, IE: "Helen Cross"

1) you were never liable, just gullable. If it was real, and had actualy progreesed the case wouldnt even make it in to court. Habbox is not responcible for how people user there own computers and conduct themselves on the rest of the WWW.

Yes but the reputation and safety of the forum could be damaged.

IS a shop responcible if someone gets robbed when takeing home a bag of mechancdice from it?
No.

Well it didn't happen in the shop. And if it happened in the shop some action could be taken but regardless the shop does not promote robbery therefore is not in violation.

The exchange of an email, website, myspace, name etc. is all at the users risk. Habbox has no responciblty to moniter how this information is used, or what is done with it.

Yeah, we can say that, but remember we're not just worried about covering our behinds, we are genuinely concerned with the safety of our members. Also, a lot of our members are fairly young.

Which you have no right to take away. You run a forum, not a world wide dictatorship you know.

We allow them to, just not to use our forum as a means to set up that particular means of unmoderated communication.

The argument is, if a parent lets the kid use the internet un minded if there child that stupid, social services should probably be paying em a visit. Its the parents responciblty to look after there kid. Not yours, you look after a FORUM.

Yeah, but that doesn't look very good does it? OK M8S UR KIDS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY, TELL THEM HOW TO KEEP SAFE AND IF THEY GET ABDUCTED W/E, THEY CAN GIVE OUT LOCATIONS AT THEIR OWN RISK KKZ!!

You have no Right, Responciblty, Dutly, Obligation or any even remote requrement to look after a user, when they are no longer use the habbox website or forums. Thats what the parent or gardian is supposed to be doing.
Do you real think, everyone from the BBC to microsoft would let users exchange emails if they were in the sligest bit liabel. The email service operates themselves arent even liable. Neverlown a little habbo based forum which allowed two users to swap an email adress (a public contact means)

Yes, we have no legal obligation, but we have a moral obligation :p

[Mentor]

But I know certain members who you despise you wouldn't want having your IM.

Well who ever these people are, tell them there free to have it, its posted on my website, myspace and in pretty much every other forum profile i have internet wide.
If someones annoying me im more than capable of useing such highly advanced and sophisticated methods as clicking on the block button "/ Hell i put one of my email on ***** list (way back when) out of bordem (lead to a few laughts)

If they do something wrong we get complaints and possible action.

You tell them you dont RUN msn, and its none of your business what some kid does on his MSN account. MSN is run by Microsoft, contact them. And there supposed to be the parent, they should be looking after there own kid.

The difference is the majority of forums cater mainly to adults who are good with their own safety and its more difficult to endanger.

Actually although many forums have a far more diverse age makeup, i wouldn't say this one has members any younger than they do "/ Plus if a kid isnt capable of basic internet safely, they shouldn't be using the thing.

Not quite, I'll get to it when you mentioned the Shop thing below. And because we could get angry people because of it, IE: "Helen Cross"

People can get as angry as they like, it doesn't change facts. Nore whos actually responsible.

Yes but the reputation and safety of the forum could be damaged.

Email has nothing to do with habbox. The safety of the forum isnt changing, the safety issues around email are the same as they always were, and habbox isnt responsible for looking after peoples email usage.

Well it didn't happen in the shop. And if it happened in the shop some action could be taken but regardless the shop does not promote robbery therefore is not in violation.

And any problems that happen via email didnt happen on habbox. Habbox has nothing to do with what happens outside of habbox.
And to the second bit, im not saying habbox should promote pedo's, im saying it should let people exchange emails if they so wish.
In the same way as shop should exchange goods, but not promote robbery.

Im still unsure of how your responce differs from the point i was trying to make o.0

Yeah, we can say that, but remember we're not just worried about covering our behinds, we are genuinely concerned with the safety of our members. Also, a lot of our members are fairly young.

Habbox provides a forum, as safe internet based environment where people can talk and discuss. Habbox is responsible for operating this.
Habbox is NOT then responsible for Running the whole internet, what people do outside of this aria is not under habboxs control, hence habbox cannot be held liable. In the same way as with the following externals links to other websites.
So as concerned as you may be for the safty of users, they do use other parts of the internet anyway, so any dodgy people can easly avoide this protective system your attempting to set up. The only people effected as the every day safe users, whom are simply haveing a pointless obsticale posted in the way "/

We allow them to, just not to use our forum as a means to set up that particular means of unmoderated communication.

So linking to a website which may be provided equaly unmoderated communication is somehow different?

Yeah, but that doesn't look very good does it? OK M8S UR KIDS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY, TELL THEM HOW TO KEEP SAFE AND IF THEY GET ABDUCTED W/E, THEY CAN GIVE OUT LOCATIONS AT THEIR OWN RISK KKZ!!

Not when you say it like a a prat no, but if you say it like a stable well ajusted human being, "Parents should be responsible for there children's well being." If the parent is not responsible, socal services are there to take over. At no point does the idea "Parents should take no responsible for there own children, children should be looked over by a load of teenagers they know over the internet" That still sounds bloody stupid to me, even when not said in prat

Yes, we have no legal obligation, but we have a moral obligation :p

Just like china has a moral obligation to oppress its people :rolleyes:

Although my argument was simply pointing out you have no legal obligation or liability, if this were allowed, which you were previously claiming. Judging from this ive established that already.

So that whole issue you raised against it has kinda disintegrated "/
Im still FOR allowing the exchange of emails, just for convenience, plus feel free to propergate my IM if you feel the need to