9/11 Conspiracies - What do you think happened? - [Closes 13/05/07]

[Sammeth.]

ooooh, another interesting bit of info...

February 13, 1975 fire

On February 13, 1975, the WTC North Tower was beset by a fire which spread over nearly half of the 11th floor. The fire spread to other floors through openings in the floor slabs which were used to carry phone wires. The fires on other floors were extinguished almost immediately, and the main fire was put out in a few hours. Fireproofing protected the steel from melting and there was no structural damage to the tower. This event led to the instalation of a sprinkler system in both towers. Firefighters claim that had the sprinklers been installed when the tower was built, the fire probably would not had spread as much as it did. Other than the damage caused by the fire, a few floors below suffered water damage from the extinguishing of the fires above.

But I guess jet fuel does burn at a much higher temperature than a normal fire...I just thought people might like to know

[Sammeth.]

Sorry for double posting but I cant edit;

First off, at the person who was talking about Floor 34 being completly empty - I found the tennants lists and...

]Fl. 34 Royal Thai Embassy Office (UB), Port Commerce Department, Port Authority, Thailand Tourism Authority

]Fl. 34 Oppenheimer Funds Investment

The above information is correct at the time of the attacks.

[Ekalb]

ooooh, another interesting bit of info...



But I guess jet fuel does burn at a much higher temperature than a normal fire...I just thought people might like to know

But still jet fuel doesn't burn with enough heart to melt the material that made the supports.

It's strange that although it's 6 years after 9/11 I never once saw anything about the WT7 building on tv. They were more focussed on the others I guess.

[RedStratocas]

But still jet fuel doesn't burn with enough heart to melt the material that made the supports.

It's strange that although it's 6 years after 9/11 I never once saw anything about the WT7 building on tv. They were more focussed on the others I guess.

Who says it has to melt? Melt means literally turned into a liquid, which ill admit, jet fuel isnt hot enough for, but steel starts to weaken at half that temperature.

The WTC7 was an odd situation. They knew it was falling and got everyone out safe, it wasent really a big deal compared to the rest.

[BL!NKEY]

9/11 had nothing to do with the Iraq war. The Iraq war was to get rid of Saddam and make Iraq a safer place. Its worse now.

In the case we are talking about now 9/11 had everything to do with the Iraq war. It was this attack which got most of the American people to support the going into Iraq. Not saying that they are connected in reality but 9/11 led to the invasion of Iraq politacally.

They can't just leave Iraq now, not in the condition it is in now.

It wasnt as bad right after getting Saddam. If the government faked 9/11 to get oil then they would have left back then because they would have got what they came for.

Its one of the main place where they get it from. They have a lot of oil now to last them a long time.

It would not be worth it to spend that much money on a war just to gain control of a contrys oil. We are not going to steal the oil now that we took Saddam out. We will still pay money to the Iraq government that we set up.

[micky.blue.eyes]

I didn't read all posts because I don't have time to read them all but here are some other bits of information (taken from those videos).

The fire could've made the WTC collapes but only if the metal was heated for several hours, both towers collapes within an hour.
Most of the jet fuel burned outside the towers when the jets hit the building (just watch some videos and you'll see big fire balls.)
Some firemen went up to try to put the fire out and help people in that building, if the fire was hot and big enough to melt the metals those firemen would've never tried to put it out.
When they started to remove what was left of the towers they found molten steel, now you think "I told you so", well you're wrong. They found the molten steel in the basement, which supports the fact that people heard several explosions, some of them were under them.

The FBI (or the secret service or somebody else, can't remember) said they couldn't find the black boxes. There were 4 black boxes and they said the couldn't find any of them and that they were destroyed. But they did find the passport of the pilot. Something made out of paper survived but black boxes didn't? Yeah right!

That's all for now, will probably post more another time.

[Wig44.]

I didn't read all posts because I don't have time to read them all but here are some other bits of information (taken from those videos).

The fire could've made the WTC collapes but only if the metal was heated for several hours, both towers collapes within an hour.
Most of the jet fuel burned outside the towers when the jets hit the building (just watch some videos and you'll see big fire balls.)
Some firemen went up to try to put the fire out and help people in that building, if the fire was hot and big enough to melt the metals those firemen would've never tried to put it out.
When they started to remove what was left of the towers they found molten steel, now you think "I told you so", well you're wrong. They found the molten steel in the basement, which supports the fact that people heard several explosions, some of them were under them.

The FBI (or the secret service or somebody else, can't remember) said they couldn't find the black boxes. There were 4 black boxes and they said the couldn't find any of them and that they were destroyed. But they did find the passport of the pilot. Something made out of paper survived but black boxes didn't? Yeah right!

That's all for now, will probably post more another time.

Thats the best post this thread. There were explosions. There waas something about the government in USA said the jet fuel melted the towers and caused the collapse. Not true. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough.

[Camy]

Im still not sure about the black boxes, they're supposed to be indestructible, how did they not find them, unless when the explosion occured they were blown several miles away

[Sammeth.]

Thats the best post this thread. There were explosions. There waas something about the government in USA said the jet fuel melted the towers and caused the collapse. Not true. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough.

No they didn't. They said jet fuel weakened the steel structures, and yes, Jet Fuel does burn hot enough to do that. You can see in the videos, the south tower collapsed after one of the steel supports buckled, and twisted. It didn't melt. It was weakened.

I didn't read all posts because I don't have time to read them all but here are some other bits of information (taken from those videos).

The fire could've made the WTC collapes but only if the metal was heated for several hours, both towers collapes within an hour.
Most of the jet fuel burned outside the towers when the jets hit the building (just watch some videos and you'll see big fire balls.)
Some firemen went up to try to put the fire out and help people in that building, if the fire was hot and big enough to melt the metals those firemen would've never tried to put it out.
When they started to remove what was left of the towers they found molten steel, now you think "I told you so", well you're wrong. They found the molten steel in the basement, which supports the fact that people heard several explosions, some of them were under them.

The FBI (or the secret service or somebody else, can't remember) said they couldn't find the black boxes. There were 4 black boxes and they said the couldn't find any of them and that they were destroyed. But they did find the passport of the pilot. Something made out of paper survived but black boxes didn't? Yeah right!

That's all for now, will probably post more another time.

The official 9/11 commission stated they recovered 3 of the 4 black boxes. I believe anyway, I'll double check that if I have time. And thats from the 9/11 commission.

The WTC7 was an odd situation. They knew it was falling and got everyone out safe, it wasent really a big deal compared to the rest.

Yeah. It was damaged severely by the falling debris of 1WTC and 2WTC, but not from the impact of the falling towers. There were major fires in the top floors, and the bottom 10 floors were completely damaged. Everyone was evacuated well before it collapsed. I think Larry A. Silverstein also said in an interview that he suggested they pull it anyway.

[GommeInc]

I don't agree with this idea that bombs were planted at the bottom to make it fall down. Looking at the videos, the part of the WTC above where the plane went in noticably falls before the bottom, which makes me doubt bombs were at the bottom.

Also, as far as I am aware, no one actually saw explosions at the bottom, only heard them. The explosions could of been from some demented mind which thought the explosions possibly happening inside the building were coming from the bottom, where the explosions echoed down from other buildings. It is, afterall, possible.

This black box idea is confusing. It is possible they were destroyed in the explosions and flames or the radio and sonar which some have (apprently) got damaged which led to it being unable to find. Looking at Wikipedia (because I don't know what they're made of and their specifications), it doesn't state what the material is made out of and whether or not it will survive an enclosed explosion as opposed to an outdoor explosion