vegetarian?

[Jackk]

nope im not

[GommeInc]

Gomme, re-read my posts, you'll see me state many times of what I'm trying to put across to you, you give me links to the nutrition of beef/other eats yet I've already said that I know meat is nutritous but as I said it can have negative effects if taken in excess etc

I see you've not mentioned about my list of "sickly-malnourished" athletes?

Also, you do know you can get omega 3 from non meat right? Flax/Hemp etc.

"Your logic and examples are terrible." I think your examples need to be better.. well basically you have no good examples.. You have links pointing to the nutrition of meat when I've already said meat is nutritous but can have bad points too.

I've kept this a short post because alas your thick skull can't seem to take in a high amount of information at once. Seriously, you keep calling me "idiot/idiotic/dense" etc, kind of shows you're failing to give a good argument and instead just start trying to insult me?

"So what if they are amateurs? The point still remains they could be active "9% longer" than the vegetarians? Stop trying to find a stupid reason to get out of the argument"

It's you who seems to be continually avoiding some of my points with pathetic counter-arguments, I think you need to think outside of the box for once in your life and have some respect for others.

I'll still reply to this thread but I fail to see any reason to respond to anymore of your replies as they're just seeming to give bad counters and lame insults, so peace

So why are we arguing then as we have proved meat is healthy? Anything in excess in unhealthy, no doubt about that. And yes, I know you can get Omega 3 from other sources, but my argument is with meat, so fish is what I put across and you put across an example from your argument, then we compare. Nuts are a good source for Omega 3 aswell I think?

Also, you get out of my arguments with stupid counter arguments. You just did with the example of amateur athletes. So what if they are? They're human and I think using amateur athletes are better for testing, because they do not use exercise as a part of their day to day routine. Also, I ignored your list because I didn't notice it, I posted and went offline for food. But I shall reply now

I can't list meat-eating athletes, because they do not say if they eat meat or not. Vegetarian athletes seem to praise the fact they don't eat meat, while the norm is eating meat in the athlete world. Maybe their good health is down to their diet, loads of vegetarians don't bother eating a proper diet of nuts, fruit and veg. Some go straight to the baked goods like cake and take little consideration into a proper diet, which atheletes have been told to do or have simply research.

I don't respect people who aren't in-touch reality. You only agree that meat is nutritious because I have proved it to be. The only obvious thing you've agreed to is excess meat in a diet, which goes with pretty much anything in this planet "/ You thought meat had alot of fats in, yet it doesn't, and you have wormed your way out of that argument by ignoring it.

This quote from page 16 for example:

"You do know that the actual meat can harm you right? You keep revolving around what the meat is cooked in- yes that does have negatives, but it was the actual MEAT i was talking about."

You believe meat had fats in and you suggested it has more than a daily intake. If you didn't, you would simply not of commented on it "/

Btw, your examples are terrible. High amounts of fat in meat? Ha. Go argue about the olive oil/sunflower oil and any other type of cooking oil, not the meat. Granted, this is in response to your latter arguments.

[Ezzie.]

I have never said that meat is not nutritous, I ate meat for 14 years of my life, well 10 if you class toddler age etc- what I'm trying to say is basically you can get the equal amount of nutrients from vegetables and also avoid certain health risks- OR lowered health risks (refer to the ADA report- although it's American it gives a pretty good report)

Also, about the amateur athletes- they said they felt sluggish on a vegetarian diet- they were doing more physical exercise than the norm- thus they would naturally feel sluggish? :S

[Lycan]

FINALLY

today i saw the first news coverage relating to the mars adding meat.

how else were people to be warned until now, i only found out from forums ... atleast people should now know.

Channel 4 News

and if you look in the shops Bestbefore is now nov meaning that it could contain the whey element

[Ezzie.]

FINALLY

today i saw the first news coverage relating to the mars adding meat.

how else were people to be warned until now, i only found out from forums ... atleast people should now know.

Channel 4 News

and if you look in the shops Bestbefore is now nov meaning that it could contain the whey element

Looks like it's final then

[GommeInc]

I have never said that meat is not nutritous, I ate meat for 14 years of my life, well 10 if you class toddler age etc- what I'm trying to say is basically you can get the equal amount of nutrients from vegetables and also avoid certain health risks- OR lowered health risks (refer to the ADA report- although it's American it gives a pretty good report)

You were commenting about the saturated fats in meat, as far as I am aware? Obviously an all meat diet would be... Odd... I don't even think there is anyone who is alive and has eaten just meat for a year? With the sources I gave, it suggested that meat doesn't give a health risk, as long as it is cooked properly and you don't guzzle down tons of it. 3oz which has 24% of a recommended intake would do, maybe you can try going up 6oz, but eating that meat would be boring and there would be no variety. Maybe a ham sandwich at lunch and a roast dinner later, but not the same amount of meat, twice a day.

I think this is like the argument against religion, there is not a proper answer and there will always be conflicting arguments concerning it.

Also, about the amateur athletes- they said they felt sluggish on a vegetarian diet- they were doing more physical exercise than the norm- thus they would naturally feel sluggish? :S

Lol, that's a good point. It seems more likely that than if they felt more sluggish than usual when doing exercise. I think it depends on what sort of person you are. If you make a living or generally like running and sports, a vegetarian diet which includes slow release foods is probably best for you. But it depends on what you call a sporty life style. Running would have a need for a vegetarian diet while something like kick boxing has a need for a meat incl. diet.

Also, you're the only one with an illness, I have been told to have a diet of meat, vegetables and fruit because my immune system is slightly lacking in existence. I was told to eat curly cale, which is disgusting and I would much prefer to eat beef etc than that lol

At the Mars argument

I still don't understand why they need whey...

[Ezzie.]

I think this is like the argument against religion, there is not a proper answer and there will always be conflicting arguments concerning it.

Nail on head

Lol, that's a good point. It seems more likely that than if they felt more sluggish than usual when doing exercise. I think it depends on what sort of person you are. If you make a living or generally like running and sports, a vegetarian diet which includes slow release foods is probably best for you. But it depends on what you call a sporty life style. Running would have a need for a vegetarian diet while something like kick boxing has a need for a meat incl. diet.

I think an omnivorous or a herbivorous diet are good for all exercise, with an omnivorous you have the meat to pack a punch in nutrients- but with vegetables, especially carbs you have a lot of slow releasing energy and I believe in some vegetables there's like a "wake up" factor to them? not too sure on that though

Also, you're the only one with an illness, I have been told to have a diet of meat, vegetables and fruit because my immune system is slightly lacking in existence. I was told to eat curly cale, which is disgusting and I would much prefer to eat beef etc than that lol

My illness affects everything :rolleyes: Immunity, zero energy, muscle spasms- it's fun :eusa_wall But alas, being vegetarian has seemed to improve my symptoms a little, probably because I'm taking more vitamins etc, *shrug* not entirely sure, just guess it's detoxed me or something or other

At the Mars argument

I still don't understand why they need whey...

Meh, I don't know either- it's stupid to be honest- they're limiting their range of buyers :S Plus it's kind of gross to be using the stomach lining of new born calves too. :S But meh :@

[GommeInc]

Nail on head

I vote we start a random argument on religion next

I think an omnivorous or a herbivorous diet are good for all exercise, with an omnivorous you have the meat to pack a punch in nutrients- but with vegetables, especially carbs you have a lot of slow releasing energy and I believe in some vegetables there's like a "wake up" factor to them? not too sure on that though

Hmm, not sure on the "wake up" factor, it depends what fruit would have alot of sugar in really. But fruit and vegetables definitely have a slow release factor which can keep you wake. Meat gives a boost like Red Bull or a vitamin tablet, which maybe why nutritionists suggest not to eat alot, mainly red meat I think though, chicken is ok.

My illness affects everything :rolleyes: Immunity, zero energy, muscle spasms- it's fun :eusa_wall But alas, being vegetarian has seemed to improve my symptoms a little, probably because I'm taking more vitamins etc, *shrug* not entirely sure, just guess it's detoxed me or something or other

Sounds... joyful... Vegetables seem to have a certain effect, but my mind is crowded with a philosophy essay at the moment which makes it hard to think what that something is I eat loads of vegetables myself, my favourites are sweetcorn, baby corn, carrots... Loads really Raws good too.

But I like the taste of meat and I find it ok when cooked right. I have issues with meat from other places that I or my family haven't prepared. Most the time it is fatty. Although Burger King's burgers aren't very fatty come to think of it, they are flame grilled so it drips off leaving just the moistness from the remaining liquids. Not very nice to eat alot though

Meh, I don't know either- it's stupid to be honest- they're limiting their range of buyers :S Plus it's kind of gross to be using the stomach lining of new born calves too. :S But meh :@

It is all very odd. I'm sure ingredients for chocolate and other factors of Mars products are not that expensive, they're quite a big company? Where is the whey used? I might have to experiment with an old packet of malteasers and and a new one, which has the new ingredient, just to see if there is a difference. Hopefully it won't be like what Walkers did with sunseed oil, it makes the crisps taste like cardboard, but I've gotten used to it now, so I won't fuss

[Ezzie.]

I vote we start a random argument on religion next

MY GODS BETTER THAN URS!!!!!!1

Hmm, not sure on the "wake up" factor, it depends what fruit would have alot of sugar in really. But fruit and vegetables definitely have a slow release factor which can keep you wake. Meat gives a boost like Red Bull or a vitamin tablet, which maybe why nutritionists suggest not to eat alot, mainly red meat I think though, chicken is ok.

I suppose that could be why people who eat meat have a higher obesity rate? Quick energy= wanting to eat more, where as vegetables= slow but continuous energy?

Sounds... joyful... Vegetables seem to have a certain effect, but my mind is crowded with a philosophy essay at the moment which makes it hard to think what that something is I eat loads of vegetables myself, my favourites are sweetcorn, baby corn, carrots... Loads really Raws good too.

Raw sweetcorn mm... I just had a 3 course meal for a birthday celebration- Vegetable salad-Vegetable Fajitas = yum

But I like the taste of meat and I find it ok when cooked right. I have issues with meat from other places that I or my family haven't prepared. Most the time it is fatty. Although Burger King's burgers aren't very fatty come to think of it, they are flame grilled so it drips off leaving just the moistness from the remaining liquids. Not very nice to eat alot though

Yeah if you like meat and you cook it right so you don't have it dripping in fat then fair to you, what gets me is people who just eat such fatty foods >_>

It is all very odd. I'm sure ingredients for chocolate and other factors of Mars products are not that expensive, they're quite a big company? Where is the whey used? I might have to experiment with an old packet of malteasers and and a new one, which has the new ingredient, just to see if there is a difference. Hopefully it won't be like what Walkers did with sunseed oil, it makes the crisps taste like cardboard, but I've gotten used to it now, so I won't fuss

I'm not exactly sure where the whey's used.. might be mixed in with the milk to solidify it more? very annoying to be honest why they changed it from fungus derived to animal derived :eusa_wall

Off topic: I just shaved for this first time! :rolleyes: could've done it like 6 months ago but im too lazy And I didn't slit my jugular so I'm quite happy

[GommeInc]

MY GODS BETTER THAN URS!!!!!!1

Na-uh, my God has wings and looks like Dame Judi Dench!!!!!

I suppose that could be why people who eat meat have a higher obesity rate? Quick energy= wanting to eat more, where as vegetables= slow but continuous energy?

Could be, but it depends on the person. Some people who are obese (or think they are) go to vegetarianism thinking eating lots of vegetables would make them healthier, when as you say being slow release means it stays in your body for a tad longer, so they are larger for some time. Not obese, but just large where the food sits in their stomach.

Raw sweetcorn mm... I just had a 3 course meal for a birthday celebration- Vegetable salad-Vegetable Fajitas = yum

Hmmm, maybe I should of separated the idea of raw vegetables and sweetcorn wider. Raw sweetcorn is... Yucky.. Birthday celebration? Was it yours? I've not tried vegetables fajitas, but it depends what you have in them. Some vegetables I have issues with, like large amounts of pepper and chunks of tomato. I had an oven cooked Pizza Express Pizza. Very yummy.

Yeah if you like meat and you cook it right so you don't have it dripping in fat then fair to you, what gets me is people who just eat such fatty foods >_>

I find it covers up flavour, although I am guilty of making bacon a tad bit greasy. Bacon is tricky to cook, it can stick to a pan very easily so oil is needed to stop it doing that. Sainsbury's sirloin beef steak, lovely texture and amazing flavour and quite low in fat.

I'm not exactly sure where the whey's used.. might be mixed in with the milk to solidify it more? very annoying to be honest why they changed it from fungus derived to animal derived :eusa_wall

Would the solidification of milk or chocolate really be an issue? It has to be something very good to use whey... But I cannot think of one good reason...

Off topic: I just shaved for this first time! :rolleyes: could've done it like 6 months ago but im too lazy And I didn't slit my jugular so I'm quite happy

Shaving is a horrible task, I let it grow for about a week and a half then bother cutting it. I had an electric shaver, but it wasn't smooth enough, so I used wet shaving which is the one with foam, it's good, but you can easily cut yourself if you push a bit too hard or don't put enough foam on areas which mean they basic get caught in the blades.