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[Cixso]

I say a public poll, on the x chosen people, and the top x winners get the council job.

But how can we get them x people chosen?

(I haven't read the full 24 pages and don't intend too - so sorry if this has been discussed)

[Soil]

I dont think the members should vote. I think its best if the forum mgmt pick them.
Members would just vote themselves / their best mates.
If members pick them, you might get people who dont care about the forum getting into the council.

[today]

Yes I agree on this, however as I was saying 6 people can't give a overview of how the whole forum feels. Either Habbox should continue just having people post in this forum with ideas of they would have to think of an easy way that the councillors could address certain groups of people and how they would collect ideas and work out exactly what the majority of people want. At the end of the day you'd have to pick people who could take on board other peoples view with maturity and would also have to be able to keep their own personal feeling out of the way of the majority of the members ideas and feelings as we want the majorities ideas, not 6 people. If we couldn't find a way that these 6 people could represent the certain areas of the forum then there would be no point in having them as it would just be the same as the management making decisions as it would be a handful of people deciding on things rather than the members of the forum making those decisions. I'm not sure if this would work as look at the way counties in the UK work at the moment although they have councils to represent the area people still complain that their views are ignored even when the majority agree on something as at the end of the day it comes down to the councillors decision over the public which in some respects destroys the idea of getting the members/public to express their opinions. Not everyone can make decisions but some can suggest ideas which is what this forum is for at the moment. Unless the council members were perfect for the job, had great communication with the public and did not let their own views come into it this probably wouldn't work. Along with the fact at the end of the day there needs to be a decision maker and people are not always going to agree if they make the decision that is best for Habbox as some people may see things differently. This would turn the focus of this forum and looking at the majorities view like the management does at the moment into look at the councils view which I'm sure wouldn't make everyone happy as I'm sure lots of people would disagree with whoever was picked no matter who they are.

Before i start, you should do more paragraphs mister, i hate reading your replies when there such a block of text. grrr!
As i said the Senior Mangament (MAD, someone else) would have the final say though as said the council would discuss in further detail, and greater detail ideas posted in the feedback forum, this would be the main focus, and as i said in a eariler post the feedback forum doesnt always get the replies needed and can often go off topic, such as this one was on about moderation then changes to a council! The council would discuss ONLY the idea by MAD, he'll start the threads off to see what the council would think of the idea and the council would discuss the good and bad points to the idea, this would then give MAD a better idea and some other views to the idea and he'll then be able to see if it was worth it or not.

Choosing the people as said either a Application form or MAD choosing them himself, having a public vote would be alright but i guess if a more popular user got choosen then of course they'll get the votes unless a application form was added first then the best applications was picked say 10 users were the best and 10 staff, only 6 could be picked, a public vote would take place picking 6 staff and users, this would give it a more of a fair result, though what ever happens it wouldnt be perfectly fair, though i think this would be the best result as the forum users would actually pick who they'll like to debate ideas about and the same goes for the staff.

To reply to Saurav's post, as i said a application form was picked and then MAD had to choosen the best 10 for users and staff which then lead to a vote, this would remove any idiots and "popular" users who wouldnt actually do the council any good. Though there would be some popular users who got into the vote, and if they won a place into the council, then it clearly shows they are respected around the forum, even if there popular, it means there doing something right.

Though as i said with the application form it wouldnt be a easy, name, habbo name, why you sohuld be picked. There would be much more detail into the application form this would show who could actually write essay upon essay for the council, and not short, simple answers which is not what we would need on the council. Along with it would give MAD a idea on who would be best for the job, along with as i said MAD would have to look into the users posts and threads and see how they react to other users and idea's. Or a user could write a essay and get choosen but if there view was slatted they'll react badly, it would really depend on the users overall forum use and im sure MAD knows who could be a good contender for the council then leave the public to vote.

[Mr.OSH]

You mention forum security, myself and quite a few others on the forum do understand why ideas can't go ahead because of this and won't even suggest some ideas because of it, you're assuming that all normal members do not understand the way a forum works just because they are not staff.

several times you mention, how would it be structured and surely represenative would show what a majority want, is that not what a represenative is? , someone who speaks on behalf of a larger population of people, who could infact be voted in to represent each catagory. perhaps a Bi-Yearly poll vote in each catagory to decide who gets to represent them so someone who doesn't do anything can easily be replaced

also you mention time, but doesn't everything require time, members are easily be able to dedicate amount of time to the working of a council, and surely if they can't they woudn't put themselves forward

The idea of a council with a majority vote to push forward ideas would be to remove someone pushing something they wanted to go forward, as there is a big chance it woudn't get past the rest of the group.

I see what you are saying but even in real life receptivities do not always show what the majority wants because at the end of the day there are suggestions to that representative and then they make the decision on what they should put forward meaning that other people wouldn't get their say and would still complain. I am not assuming all members have no idea how security works but I was looking at the bigger picture and the way Habbox Forum functions and it work in a much more complex and laid out way to your average VBulletin forum, I was astonished when I because staff at Habbox as it is so organised and laid out in such specific ways. Things run differently at habbox as different systems are used management wise in order to keep up to date with things and keep things running at optimum performance. Besides this people would still complain and this would just be like having normal members act as management as they may listen to others ideas but they would make decision regarding what they agreed with as they are the Representative after all and would only try to get something implemented that they really liked and thought would help meaning people would still moan that they are being ignored and would still complain about the way the forum is ran. Sadly, there are problem in real life with democracies and fair opportunities for everyone and allowing everyone to have their say and a large proportion of people feel this does not work, even in real life. Therefore I can imagine a lot of people complain and not agreeing with the way things run and the council just slowing things down by assembling them every time an idea needs discussing when the forum majority will still feel they are being ignored. I feel like I'm killing this idea and I don't want it to be that way, I really want everyone on the forum to get their say but I can just see a lot of issues with a council.

Another issue I see is:

Members Voting = Choosing Best Friends/themselves (like saurav said)
Management Choosing = Members moan and complain and things act like a management because the people chosen would be making the decisions rather than the majority and people would complain they were being ignored..

Maybe the council could help explain to member why or why not an idea was accepted or not accepted which would be a plus side but overall I just don't see it working how all the members imagine it. Also sorry about the paragraphs Hollywood, I just get so carried away in my opinions!

[today]

If you read my post mister jay You'll see the issue you showed would actually not happen as much

[Lycan]

I see what you are saying but even in real life receptivities do not always show what the majority wants because at the end of the day there are suggestions to that representative and then they make the decision on what they should put forward meaning that other people wouldn't get their say and would still complain. I am not assuming all members have no idea how security works but I was looking at the bigger picture and the way Habbox Forum functions and it work in a much more complex and laid out way to your average VBulletin forum, I was astonished when I because staff at Habbox as it is so organised and laid out in such specific ways. Things run differently at habbox as different systems are used management wise in order to keep up to date with things and keep things running at optimum performance. Besides this people would still complain and this would just be like having normal members act as management as they may listen to others ideas but they would make decision regarding what they agreed with as they are the Representative after all and would only try to get something implemented that they really liked and thought would help meaning people would still moan that they are being ignored and would still complain about the way the forum is ran. Sadly, there are problem in real life with democracies and fair opportunities for everyone and allowing everyone to have their say and a large proportion of people feel this does not work, even in real life. Therefore I can imagine a lot of people complain and not agreeing with the way things run and the council just slowing things down by assembling them every time an idea needs discussing when the forum majority will still feel they are being ignored. I feel like I'm killing this idea and I don't want it to be that way, I really want everyone on the forum to get their say but I can just see a lot of issues with a council.

Another issue I see is:

Members Voting = Choosing Best Friends/themselves (like saurav said)
Management Choosing = Members moan and complain and things act like a management because the people chosen would be making the decisions rather than the majority and people would complain they were being ignored..

Maybe the council could help explain to member why or why not an idea was accepted or not accepted which would be a plus side but overall I just don't see it working how all the members imagine it. Also sorry about the paragraphs Hollywood, I just get so carried away in my opinions!

Jay, if such a council way is good enough and works well enough in real life it can surely work on a forum were issues arn't as serrious

IN Theory council would be similar to Habbox expert on HabboxWorld, which you run, the only difference being that people are voted instead of you getting to choose. people will moan ether way with a council they may moan less, but there is no real wa of finding out without trying. if you are too lazy to actually attempt this Jay, thats fine... but the determination of myself Hollywood and others should be enough to get this started off working, and if it doesn't work out it can easily be dispanded.

[Cixso]

Another issue I see is:

Members Voting = Choosing Best Friends/themselves (like saurav said)
Management Choosing = Members moan and complain and things act like a management because the people chosen would be making the decisions rather than the majority and people would complain they were being ignored..

Maybe the council could help explain to member why or why not an idea was accepted or not accepted which would be a plus side but overall I just don't see it working how all the members imagine it. Also sorry about the paragraphs Hollywood, I just get so carried away in my opinions!

Why are we all suddenly talking like this!

I think the members shouldn't be allowed to vote for them selves obviously, and another
scheme needs to be set up to try and find these people.

[today]

Why are we all suddenly talking like this!

I think the members shouldn't be allowed to vote for them selves obviously, and another
scheme needs to be set up to try and find these people.

Choosing the people as said either a Application form or MAD choosing them himself, having a public vote would be alright but i guess if a more popular user got choosen then of course they'll get the votes unless a application form was added first then the best applications was picked say 10 users were the best and 10 staff, only 6 could be picked, a public vote would take place picking 6 staff and users, this would give it a more of a fair result, though what ever happens it wouldnt be perfectly fair, though i think this would be the best result as the forum users would actually pick who they'll like to debate ideas about and the same goes for the staff.

To reply to Saurav's post, as i said a application form was picked and then MAD had to choosen the best 10 for users and staff which then lead to a vote, this would remove any idiots and "popular" users who wouldnt actually do the council any good. Though there would be some popular users who got into the vote, and if they won a place into the council, then it clearly shows they are respected around the forum, even if there popular, it means there doing something right.

Though as i said with the application form it wouldnt be a easy, name, habbo name, why you sohuld be picked. There would be much more detail into the application form this would show who could actually write essay upon essay for the council, and not short, simple answers which is not what we would need on the council. Along with it would give MAD a idea on who would be best for the job, along with as i said MAD would have to look into the users posts and threads and see how they react to other users and idea's. Or a user could write a essay and get choosen but if there view was slatted they'll react badly, it would really depend on the users overall forum use and im sure MAD knows who could be a good contender for the council then leave the public to vote.

This is what i came up with,

[Mr.OSH]

If you read my post mister jay You'll see the issue you showed would actually not happen as much

People would still complain and things wouldn't pan out how you hope them to unfortunately, people would still claim they were being ignored because doing what everyone wants is just not possible so someone has to make a decision on thing somewhere along the line and those decisions wont make everyone happy. As much as we'd love everyone to be happy and have their ideas implemented it just isn't possible. Personally without killing off the idea I feel this forum is a better way to express opinions as everyone can individually say their feelings and they can be read and taken note of however with a council you rely on a few people to express how everyone feels which isn't possible sadly, even in the real world it doesn't really work. + rep for your ideas and comments, they are much appreciated, you've made me think a lot about this.

[Soil]

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