Political Leaders

[Susie Dent]

Waffles on about something pretending I know everything however unfortunately you don't understand and also post some waffle.

[MrGazet]

urm I dun think I hav any fav;s tbh

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[Frodo13.]

but if hitlar wasnt a dictator he would been a great leader.

I agree. If he wasn't responsible for the murder of millions, he would of been a good leader. He got his country out of a Great Depression and turned it into a respectable state. Also created thousands of jobs.

[Virgin Mary]

I never see Hitler as a dictator, just a good leader with a skewed outlook. If he wasn't evil he'd probably be the greatest politician of all time.

[Mandez]

Yeah.... if hiller hadnt been such a sicko and murdered
5 million minority groups,
6 million jews,
make the country think they were better then everyone else,
try and take over the world,

im sure he would of been a great politician.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm not gonna get into the Blair vs Thatcher thing that Dan's set up because he gets all defensive about it, so I'm gonna go on about the American thing instead for a bit.

As our Red friend above said, Clinton was an excellent President. He was extremely charismatic and did a lot of things to improve the US considerably whilst not really doing any harm. I don't believe that personal matters should be used against politicians, as getting a quick suck from your secretary isn't really going to affect your decision making skills in office.
My stance is Bush is one of not really caring. Yeah he's done a lot wrong and is seen as a complete buffoon, but there must have been reasons that he was elected, and I'm sure he must have done at least some good, even if it's outweighed by the bad.

Hell on that note I am gonna go into Blairite politics after all. Blair followed Bush into Iraq and that's caused a lot of problems, but he's said time and time again that he's sorry but he did believe it to be the right thing to do at the time. I know politicians lie and cover stuff up, but when he comes out with his hands up and accepts responsibility like that, I can't help but believe that he's telling the truth on that, and that (however bad a mistake it was) it was a mistake. He otherwise did a lot of good for the country. I don't like socialist ideals really, but Blair did pick up the NHS from being an absolute crapbag to being just a pretty big bag of crap. You can quote figures of how many jobs were lost under his government, but he also created hundreds of thousands. I'm a pessimistic person myself, but I really think people need to learn to look past just bad stuff when talking about someone they don't like and appreciate the facts that they have done good stuff too.


I say stuff too much.

Tony Blair has always said that going into Iraq was the right thing, I will never accept an apology from Blair and even if I did he would have to the the word itself; sorry - He never has though.

I think the BNP will end up leading Britain sooner or later, although as long as the Queen isn't removed from power (please, if she does nothing all day then why does she concern you so much?) we don't really have much to fear from our governments. Give it about another decade or so.
Americans politics never bother me, I don't see why Clinton is seen as so bad though. Does it really matter if they're not some self-righteous hick?

I agree and it's going to happen either like this; EU turns into a Soviet Union and eventually breaks up, England has a revolution and a nationalist party like the BNP will get in. The other way is just keep going like it is now, if the Conservatives don't return to their grass roots then the BNP/UKIP will slowly start to take over, remember that the only reason we, England have a government we didn't choose is because we are tied with Scotland which is were Labour get their seats from, if Scotland do break up from the unfair Union then Labour will be crippled and will become something like the Liberal Democrats. Personally I can't wait for something like this to happen to England, finally we can look after our own people then, free from the EU red tape and free from the Scottish who basically rob us.

In response to the Thacther post, I'm no genius at Economics btu I do no that if it hadn't of been for Maggie then our Economey wouldn't be what it is today. Labour may claim to making the economy healthy but it wasn't them, it was World Growth over the past ten years and thanks to Maggie starting us off again.

[FlyingJesus]

Most of Scotland are actually supporters of either Liberal Democrats or Scottish National Party.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Most of Scotland are actually supporters of either Liberal Democrats or Scottish National Party.

Results of General Election 2005

As you can see without Labours Scottish seats they wouldn't be in power and seeing as Labour and the Liberal Democrats are both Left wing the seats probably do swing a lot. I also have to add I am ashamed Liverpool is red

[FlyingJesus]

I fail at knowing where the borders are, so I'll take your word for it. Also, of course Liverpool is a Labour area, think about the history of its employment

[-:Undertaker:-]

Liverpool has had low employment because Manchester was the city which companies invested in not Liverpool, slowly right now Liverpool is getting better but only because of the grants we've had and with tourism companies being interested in our city.