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    Hmmmm, makes me think why we have different parties. They may aswell get rid of Labour, Conservatives, Tories etc, because they are seemingly less needed now "/

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    The problem with governments is they're too soft or too harsh. It's either socialist or nationalist. They never seem to have both interests at heart, and if they do then they turn out to be psychopathic dictators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Whether it is or not it's still giving away powers which we vote our governments in for to make decisions. Also it would not matter whether this is the treaty or not, Labour have made it clear that they aren't holding a referendum.
    Its ammendements to the current constitution. It's just that bitter right-wingers have been telling you otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    I want England to be governed by ENGLISH people on ENGLISH soil, not brussels.
    I loved how you said you want England to be controlled by English people, we're currently controlled by a stupid Scottish man, however we're not allowed to control them? - It'll just get worse if we're continually being controlled by these foreigners, just look what a mess Gordon's already put us in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo13. View Post
    Its ammendements to the current constitution. It's just that bitter right-wingers have been telling you otherwise.
    It is more power to the EU, the right-wingers have it right, left-wongers have it wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    I loved how you said you want England to be controlled by English people, we're currently controlled by a stupid Scottish man, however we're not allowed to control them? - It'll just get worse if we're continually being controlled by these foreigners, just look what a mess Gordon's already put us in!
    I'm English over British anyday and i'll never be a 'EU Citizen', did you know we're being controlled by a government our country, England, didn't want? The Conservatives won the vast majority in England so technically Michael Howard is our rightful PM.


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    But techinacly it is the PM of Britian, not just England. So saying Micheal Howard is our rightful PM is wrong. You can say that England wished for Micheal Howard to be PM, but Britian did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    It is more power to the EU, the right-wingers have it right, left-wongers have it wrong.



    I'm English over British anyday and i'll never be a 'EU Citizen', did you know we're being controlled by a government our country, England, didn't want? The Conservatives won the vast majority in England so technically Michael Howard is our rightful PM.
    Yeah, it would be a shame to say good bye to all these 'British' traditions, but all this partial segregation is just really unfair on England. Why can't the Scottish just entirely leave the UK? It's got a parliament of it's own now, and I'm sure they'd be happier too. They claim how well their education and health system is, and I'm jealous of it, but it's funded with the English money! I also can't understand how they get to medal with our politics and our Education system and things, Scottish MPs shouldn't be allowed to vote on any matters but their own and the UKs. They all want a split and it would do us all a favour so why can't we just get on with it and be one country? Wales and Northern Ireland have their own parliament too... Traditions need to go...

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    Here's an equation a monkey could work out:

    Government ÷ Politcal Incorrectness + EU Treaty - Referendum = Majorly ****** off citizens.

    I thought that the government were there to protect the peoples country? Not to manipulate it, twist it and demoralise it in their own little way to earn more money for themselves! I was listening to the radio, and frankly the Scottish are taking big criticism for the English Governments errors. The thing is, it's a widespread thing. It's not just the national government, it's local governments who are voted in by the citizens of the region in question, that also twist their own words and put their earmuffs in, to not listen to others.

    The political incorrectness of England is really just horrific right now, with the government helping out every single country but themselves. Gordon Brown will not survive the next year as Primeminster, so if you live in a Conservative constituency (or support the conservatives) then you have much reason to celebrate. Every single thing done by the current government is like a domino game. Everytime they make a decision, their chances fall.

    I don't know what you mean by right/left wing but I know one thing for sure, these so-called "men & women of the country" in their black and white suits with their ties and aston martins and bentleys, are destroying this beautiful country piece-by-piece. I feel democracy has left the building under the reign of Gordon Brown and will do as long as he is in power.

    My two cents... I've got alot more to say about the police issues, and councils but if that is asked, then I will say my most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browney View Post
    But techinacly it is the PM of Britian, not just England. So saying Micheal Howard is our rightful PM is wrong. You can say that England wished for Micheal Howard to be PM, but Britian did not.
    Yes, Britain voted for Labour as a whole, but I am not British, I am English. The British Union was fair upto a point and that's when it turned into Scotland milk us, I don't consider my personal self part of a unfair system like that. Howard is Englands rightful Prime Minister.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    Yeah, it would be a shame to say good bye to all these 'British' traditions, but all this partial segregation is just really unfair on England. Why can't the Scottish just entirely leave the UK? It's got a parliament of it's own now, and I'm sure they'd be happier too. They claim how well their education and health system is, and I'm jealous of it, but it's funded with the English money! I also can't understand how they get to medal with our politics and our Education system and things, Scottish MPs shouldn't be allowed to vote on any matters but their own and the UKs. They all want a split and it would do us all a favour so why can't we just get on with it and be one country? Wales and Northern Ireland have their own parliament too... Traditions need to go...
    It's disgusting to be honest, it's time for Scotland to survive on their own and for England to fund itself. Imagine how much better off we would be without a War in Iraq, without the EU, without Scotland, we would have BILLIONS to build new roads, improve cities, build hospitals, build schools, it goes on and on and on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyroka View Post
    Here's an equation a monkey could work out:

    Government ÷ Politcal Incorrectness + EU Treaty - Referendum = Majorly ****** off citizens.

    I thought that the government were there to protect the peoples country? Not to manipulate it, twist it and demoralise it in their own little way to earn more money for themselves! I was listening to the radio, and frankly the Scottish are taking big criticism for the English Governments errors. The thing is, it's a widespread thing. It's not just the national government, it's local governments who are voted in by the citizens of the region in question, that also twist their own words and put their earmuffs in, to not listen to others.

    The political incorrectness of England is really just horrific right now, with the government helping out every single country but themselves. Gordon Brown will not survive the next year as Primeminster, so if you live in a Conservative constituency (or support the conservatives) then you have much reason to celebrate. Every single thing done by the current government is like a domino game. Everytime they make a decision, their chances fall.

    I don't know what you mean by right/left wing but I know one thing for sure, these so-called "men & women of the country" in their black and white suits with their ties and aston martins and bentleys, are destroying this beautiful country piece-by-piece. I feel democracy has left the building under the reign of Gordon Brown and will do as long as he is in power.

    My two cents... I've got alot more to say about the police issues, and councils but if that is asked, then I will say my most.
    Left-Wing is basically communism, they traditionally believe in softer jail sentences, giving money to the poor (even if they are sponges) and taxing the hard working taxpayers just as is happening now. the left also is all for the EU and is normally against the Western USA and UK alliance. Left wingers also believe in a big Government.

    Right-Wing is nationalism, they normally believe in harsher punishments, less tax, against Europe and normally pro western. Right wingers also believe in smaller local governments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Yes, Britain voted for Labour as a whole, but I am not British, I am English. The British Union was fair upto a point and that's when it turned into Scotland milk us, I don't consider my personal self part of a unfair system like that. Howard is Englands rightful Prime Minister.
    I personally think your in denial. Are you a British citizen or an immigrant? Because living in England, being an English citizen means you are a citizen of Great Britian. You cannot deny the fact you are British. Thats like me denying that I'm 15. It's cold hards facts, it is who I am. I accept it.

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