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    this seems like such an INTERESTING thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Then how come he was going to call an election when he was leading in polls, yet when the Tories took lead he cancelled it.



    You need to be harsh to keep that country under control, how many times must I say this?
    Also, I think you can be harsh by enforcing laws like crime (which he commited so it wouldn't work in his case) instead of murdering people for their beliefs or conversations they have about the government.

    I am pretty sure its 75% that are Shiite. I will have a look on msn.com and see if I can find anything on it.
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    I think Undertaker's view that 'you have to be harsh to run a country like Iraq is utter rubbish tbh.

    Look at Zimbabwe - very harsh leader, but the country is a total mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ---MAD--- View Post
    Also, I think you can be harsh by enforcing laws like crime (which he commited so it wouldn't work in his case) instead of murdering people for their beliefs or conversations they have about the government.

    I am pretty sure its 75% that are Shiite. I will have a look on msn.com and see if I can find anything on it.
    Whether it's 75% or whatever, even a lot of Shiites want him back, it also defies the point of the wests freedom message by bringing down a leader who was more free than shiites and replacing him with them. Saddam also abolished the Shia courts which are notorious for harsh punishments.

    I think Undertaker's view that 'you have to be harsh to run a country like Iraq is utter rubbish tbh.

    Look at Zimbabwe - very harsh leader, but the country is a total mess.
    Zimbabwe isn't like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Kenya. Mugarbe made the country a total mess by destroying the economy by throwing out the white farmers. Zimbarbwe isn't a country about tribes/political fighting tribes, Zimbarbwe is more civilised than the people of Iraq, Pakistan and so on. Also there is no security threat to Zimbarbwe so a harsh leader is not really needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Zimbarbwe is more civilised than the people of Iraq, Pakistan and so on. Also there is no security threat to Zimbarbwe so a harsh leader is not really needed.
    A very small ammount of people are uncivilised in Iraq, those being the terrorists. You only hear about them because it's the only thing you hear about - Your totally blindfolded by what you see on TV and read in the newspapers.
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    It turns out its 60-65% Shiites of the 97% Muslims in the country.

    I don't get why you are so supportive to Saddam. Everything wrong hes done and yet hes still good, makes no sense. He ran the country for 20 years and did a horrible job yet the West have been in there for around less than 5 years and yet you expect it to be solved within months. These things take time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo13. View Post
    A very small ammount of people are uncivilised in Iraq, those being the terrorists. You only hear about them because it's the only thing you hear about - Your totally blindfolded by what you see on TV and read in the newspapers.
    There are only terrorists in Iraq because we invaded, the people who wanted to rule the country and topple the Ba'ath regime and create their own were the kurds who attempted to kill Saddam.

    It turns out its 60-65% Shiites of the 97% Muslims in the country.

    I don't get why you are so supportive to Saddam. Everything wrong hes done and yet hes still good, makes no sense. He ran the country for 20 years and did a horrible job yet the West have been in there for around less than 5 years and yet you expect it to be solved within months. These things take time.

    I totally agree with Frodo.
    Saddam did a good job, he modernised the country bringing electric, water and food to the country, built Iraqs army up, created a good police force, gave women rights to have high jobs and the right to be educated, he abolished Shia courts, gave women the choice to wear western clothes and gave the number one important factor to the Iraqi people - security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    There are only terrorists in Iraq because we invaded, the people who wanted to rule the country and topple the Ba'ath regime and create their own were the kurds who attempted to kill Saddam.
    Not true. Most the terrorists are coming in from different countries. Terrorists didn't go into Iraq because it was bad as it is with Saddam. They are there now because they don't want it to stabilize. Do you know how much progress would have been made without the terrorists ruining everything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ---MAD--- View Post
    Not true. Most the terrorists are coming in from different countries. Terrorists didn't go into Iraq because it was bad as it is with Saddam. They are there now because they don't want it to stabilize. Do you know how much progress would have been made without the terrorists ruining everything?
    Yeah I know the terrosist are flooding in from different countrys, I clearly said there were no terrorists under Saddam because of his good security.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    the number one important factor to the Iraqi people - security.
    I would of thought freedom was more important :rolleyes:
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