Are infractions being scrapped?

[Dan2nd]

Firstly, I'm extremely disappointed that this has been leaked out of the Forum Moderators section.

As for the infraction system and usernotes, nothing is decided yet, so nothing said in this thread is set in stone.

uh oh Elkaa is mad we better start behaving


erm I don't really care whether infractions change or not as I've only ever had one and it was aggggggges ago and has since expired =D

[GommeInc]

Within a specific reason. I'm talking about policy. The rules of the system. I'm unaware of the historical times, but right now 1 infraction for something minor compared to earning a ban is not going to get you banned, or shouldn't. Many people know that. It depends on what the circumstances are in regards to the offense. I am sure to speculate that a lot of people now would not have conflicted with a ban because of 1 infraction. There would have to be an alternative reason which had been taken into far more significant consideration than the amount of infractions.

Even though the reasons are completely barmy? I doubt random reasons for a ban from 1 infraction is a justified cause for a ban. It just gives the management/admins a bad name, in fact I believe it has. I don't see why the management need to make themselves seem different to other members. Management as far as I am aware at least, are human beings. So why suggest that when there is a problem, the management know best? When they're just as dumb and stupid as the rest of us

uh oh Elkaa is mad we better start behaving


erm I don't really care whether infractions changeor not as I've only ever had one and it was aggggggges ago and has since expired =D

It's only about the infraction and user note systems... It's not like someone has given out passwords and top secret plans that will drastically change space and time... So I don't see why you should be disappointed. Habbox Forum is a forum, not an organisation with an alter-ego.

[Catzsy]

uh oh Elkaa is mad we better start behaving


erm I don't really care whether infractions change or not as I've only ever had one and it was aggggggges ago and has since expired =D

Well I do think he has a right to be mad. What is set in stone is that new systems/initiatives discussed on any staff forum should only be discussed within that forum so that a decision can be made by the appropriate person at what they consider the appropriate time. This is a fundimental principle of being allowed to become staff in the first place particularly at Smod level.
For all we know Elkaa could have put it to the forum to discuss as well before implementation. He has been let down here.

[Agesilaus]

Even though the reasons are completely barmy? I doubt random reasons for a ban from 1 infraction is a justified cause for a ban.

No, like I said, there must have been another circumstance which did not link with the infraction to justify a ban. The only other 'random reason(s)' would be the autoban list or spamming the forum or some internally serious reason where no one ever finds out, but claims reasons from their own pocket to fit the situation and say it's 'unfair'. Thus, having nothing to do with the infraction count on the member.

So why suggest that when there is a problem, the management know best? When they're just as dumb and stupid as the rest of us

Don't think I ever took my last post that far as suggesting exactly what is right and what is wrong. I only gave a vast range of speculation containing logical possibilities. Not everything is fair and I understand that. I only have some control over what's fair in accordance with the instructions I've been given.

[Orangeesh]

Well I do think he has a right to be mad. What is set in stone is that new systems/initiatives discussed on any staff forum should only be discussed within that forum so that a decision can be made by the appropriate person at what they consider the appropriate time. This is a fundimental principle of being allowed to become staff in the first place particularly at Smod level.
For all we know Elkaa could have put it to the forum to discuss as well before implementation. He has been let down here.

Is that implying anything?

Of course he is going to be mad, Elkaa gave us (moderation department) a chance to discuss with management what they have planned and they expected us to not leak it and be trusted with it as it is one of the basic rules.

[Dan2nd]

Well I do think he has a right to be mad. What is set in stone is that new systems/initiatives discussed on any staff forum should only be discussed within that forum so that a decision can be made by the appropriate person at what they consider the appropriate time. This is a fundimental principle of being allowed to become staff in the first place particularly at Smod level.
For all we know Elkaa could have put it to the forum to discuss as well before implementation. He has been let down here.

Of course he is going to be mad, Elkaa gave us (moderation department) a chance to discuss with management what they have planned and they expected us to not leak it and be trusted with it as it is one of the basic rules.

Erm I was only joking :S

Of course I know alot of stuff dicussed in the staff forums are supposed to be kept hush hush I was staff once.

[Catzsy]

Is that implying anything?

Of course he is going to be mad, Elkaa gave us (moderation department) a chance to discuss with management what they have planned and they expected us to not leak it and be trusted with it as it is one of the basic rules.

No just saying the higher up the food chain you are the more you are expected to be diplomatic, discrete and knowledgable of staff rules.

[GommeInc]

No, like I said, there must have been another circumstance which did not link with the infraction to justify a ban. The only other 'random reason(s)' would be the autoban list or spamming the forum or some internally serious reason where no one ever finds out, but claims reasons from their own pocket to fit the situation and say it's 'unfair'. Thus, having nothing to do with the infraction count on the member.

The other circumstances should of been marked down somewhere. Linking to a circumstance which wasn't warned/infracted is just an excuse to ban someone, really...

Don't think I ever took my last post that far as suggesting exactly what is right and what is wrong. I only gave a vast range of speculation containing logical possibilities. Not everything is fair and I understand that. I only have some control over what's fair in accordance with the instructions I've been given.

I was mentioning how it seems the management seem to think they have a strong understanding of things. They are afterall around the same age mark as the rest of us, yet they insist their knowledge is better. They have power, obviously and understanding of how a change will work, but will they know it would work?

[Pyroka]

Infractions should stay, unless the Management are willing to employ more Moderators. I don't see it working any other way, because of the apparent hassle this 'usernote' system is. I'd prefer Infractions to stay personally, they're easy to understand however very much abused at the same time. It's hard to meet the middle ground with this issue.

A mix of Infractions & Usernotes could be something.

[Crazy Bartender]

I think they should just stay. Because if a user gets a unfair 'Usernote' they should have the ability to appeal it and scrap it from their record.

But Infractions are very annoying.