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[GommeInc]

The forum manager should be an AGM, considering the forum is one of the biggest parts of Habbox, if not the biggest.

[Pyroka]

For a minute there, I thought this thread was turning into a cooking lesson, with Gary 'Gomme' Rhodes. I didn't expect Sierk of all people, to pick at a spelling error... Pretty poor in my opinion.

Whether Habbox be in chaos or connectedness (I think connection was the right word for what you're saying.), the actual issue in which this thread is bringing up, of forum/site staff mixing their duties with those are not theirs, is bringing Habbox into disrepute. The forum has a Forum Manager, correct? The website has a Site Manager (aka General Manager), correct? Well, how do we differentiate the two? Oh yeah, the small fact that they both run two large entities which bring together the Habbox empire.

However, it seems the General Manager is moving in on 'turf' which is not his: The Forum. It's all fine and well that the GM has some interest in the Forum and how its going on, however the issue is that the GM has got more than just interest, he's got purpose in the Forum. The purpose of Management within the forum which he shouldn't have. Taking a bit of Gommes food knowledge, the Apple and the Pie are like the Forum and the Site. Without the 'Apple' then the 'Pie' doesn't get that far either. Yeah, I just said the Forum is alot more popular than the site, and isn't that the truth?

The GM should be writing up targets for the FM to chase and meet, however he himself is doing the targets. 'Helping the FM achieve them' is not the case, since he's helping himself in making the forum better. That is the FM's job, if you didn't realise. I dont agree with Gomme however, on the FM being an AGM. What we're saying is that the General Managers are separate, they have their website(s) to manage and the Forum Manager has HabboxForum to manage. Making Elkaa an AGM would mean he has to help the GM (which in a sense, he already does by meeting the GM's targets), but that also puts Elkaa below the General Manager.

A clash of ranks, simply.

[GommeInc]

Indeed, ranks are an issue. I suggested to someone to scrap the current meaning of AGM, because they're not exactly assisting the GM in the way an AGM should work. All the AGMs are just department managers, and the ones which are current AGMs would be a part of a management council, like a Board of Directors, which in reality what the current management and AGMs are.

An AGM literally has no other job than assisting the GM, the current AGMs should be busy dealing with their departments.

[FlyingJesus]

Let's make some words bold for no apparent reason.

[Immenseman]

For a minute there, I thought this thread was turning into a cooking lesson, with Gary 'Gomme' Rhodes. I didn't expect Sierk of all people, to pick at a spelling error... Pretty poor in my opinion.

Whether Habbox be in chaos or connectedness (I think connection was the right word for what you're saying.), the actual issue in which this thread is bringing up, of forum/site staff mixing their duties with those are not theirs, is bringing Habbox into disrepute. The forum has a Forum Manager, correct? The website has a Site Manager (aka General Manager), correct? Well, how do we differentiate the two? Oh yeah, the small fact that they both run two large entities which bring together the Habbox empire.

However, it seems the General Manager is moving in on 'turf' which is not his: The Forum. It's all fine and well that the GM has some interest in the Forum and how its going on, however the issue is that the GM has got more than just interest, he's got purpose in the Forum. The purpose of Management within the forum which he shouldn't have. Taking a bit of Gommes food knowledge, the Apple and the Pie are like the Forum and the Site. Without the 'Apple' then the 'Pie' doesn't get that far either. Yeah, I just said the Forum is alot more popular than the site, and isn't that the truth?

The GM should be writing up targets for the FM to chase and meet, however he himself is doing the targets. 'Helping the FM achieve them' is not the case, since he's helping himself in making the forum better. That is the FM's job, if you didn't realise. I dont agree with Gomme however, on the FM being an AGM. What we're saying is that the General Managers are separate, they have their website(s) to manage and the Forum Manager has HabboxForum to manage. Making Elkaa an AGM would mean he has to help the GM (which in a sense, he already does by meeting the GM's targets), but that also puts Elkaa below the General Manager.

A clash of ranks, simply.

I understand what you're saying and see completely where you're coming from. However, the general manager isn't called the 'site' manager if he was then that point would be valid. He is the General Manager so therefore he manages the whole of Habbox.

The forum manager is just a department manager at the end of the day, with the biggest department to manage. Like any department the general management have a say in what changes occur, it's not them taking over it's just so they're aware what's going on and to offer help should the department manager want it.

[GommeInc]

But surely the current Assistant General Managers are just Department Managers which are part of a management related council, to help make decisions as someone in the management area mentioned? An AGM assists the GM with everything, the AGMs don't and if they do, it's no wonder the departments are slightly lacking in attention. Thankfully it seems to be clearing up. I personally think opensourcehost should be made site manager, because he clearly does alot of work and gets the job done.

[Pyroka]

Indeed, ranks are an issue. I suggested to someone to scrap the current meaning of AGM, because they're not exactly assisting the GM in the way an AGM should work. All the AGMs are just department managers, and the ones which are current AGMs would be a part of a management council, like a Board of Directors, which in reality what the current management and AGMs are.

An AGM literally has no other job than assisting the GM, the current AGMs should be busy dealing with their departments.

AGM = Directors

MAD: Management in all below
Joshuar: HabboxWorld
nvrspk4: HxHD
sierk: Habbox
Adzeh: HabboxLive (I think still?)

You get the idea? I don't think Directors would be a suitable word however.

Let's make some words bold for no apparent reason.

Well kk, why not????11? (A)

I understand what you're saying and see completely where you're coming from. However, the general manager isn't called the 'site' manager if he was then that point would be valid. He is the General Manager so therefore he manages the whole of Habbox.

The forum manager is just a department manager at the end of the day, with the biggest department to manage. Like any department the general management have a say in what changes occur, it's not them taking over it's just so they're aware what's going on and to offer help should the department manager want it.

Here's the current GM's way of 'managing': Controlling. If you class the FM as a Departmental Manager, then does that make him 'Head Dept Manager' being the biggest Dept? Wait, no. That's MADs job. Lol this is fun.

[Immenseman]

But surely the current Assistant General Managers are just Department Managers which are part of a management related council, to help make decisions as someone in the management area mentioned? An AGM assists the GM with everything, the AGMs don't and if they do, it's no wonder the departments are slightly lacking in attention. Thankfully it seems to be clearing up. I personally think opensourcehost should be made site manager, because he clearly does alot of work and gets the job done.

I can see what you mean that they don't directly help the GM like most assistant managers help their manager but all of them have specific rules though. Joshuar is the international manager, nvrspk4 staff editor, Adzeh department co-ordinator or something like that .

[joshuar]

I personally help ---MAD--- a hell of alot, and I am sure that the other AGMs do aswell, hence why we are Assistant General Managers. Also as part of me being an AGM I make sure that the HabboxWorld Managers are doing their jobs and that the site is being run well.

The forum is a department, and the content design department look after the site. It isn't ---MAD---'s job to look after the site, it's his job to look after all of the sites (Habbox, Habbox UK Forum, HabboxWorld Forum, HabboxLive and UploadPicz), and make sure they are running well etc.

[Pyroka]

I'm sure you do Josh, and I'm not questioning the amount of work the AGMs do at all. I understand what you're saying, however the forum has just outgrown the website. It's not a department, it's an entity in itself. Plus, MAD is looking after the sites and I agree with that. However, he's not just looking after the sites, which is the problem.