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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezzie. View Post
    Thatcher... ugh.
    Thatcher sorted this country out.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedStratocas View Post
    dude, clinton talks about "change" all the time. all the candidates talk about change. if you talked about how things should stay the same, you'd lose.

    i dont think clinton is bad or anything, but i honestly cant vote for someone for the war. at least obama never supported it, which was actually rare in the beginning. not to mention if she wins, that means the same two families have been running the executive branch for (at least) 24 years. sweet, eh? there's a good change about barack; he's not the same damn people.
    I don't want things to stay the same, it's just he seems to empty and is trying to impersonate MLK.


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    I think Clinton should win. She has won all of the major states...Obama has won none. Clinton has alot more experiance, and her policies have alot more substance then Obama.

    Obama exploits his race for votes, proved by his victories in the states with a high black community. And because he is young, and also attempted to glamourise drug use, he has also picked up many young supporters. All this JFK/MLK crap about Obama really makes me laugh. If anything, if he is the next president the racial gap in America will just get worse.

    Hopefully Clinton will close the gap further in Pennsylvania, which it looks like she will do.
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    Obama has won texas.

    Texas Two-Step Leaving Dems Flat-Footed

    The Clinton campaign may go to court. The Obama campaign wants to take its delegates and get out of town before sundown. The Texas Two-Step is overheating an already fired up Democratic presidential contest.
    The Newsblog mentioned this on Wednesday but there is a very good chance that winning the Texas primary might not mean that Sen. Hillary Clinton gets to take away the most delegates. That because after the primary -- which she won 51-47 percent -- come the caucuses and it looks like Sen. Barack Obama may win those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo13. View Post
    Obama exploits his race for votes
    anyone who says this completely idiotic statement that frodo here has said, knows nothing about ANYTHING.

    obama has said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about his race unless SPECIFICALLY asked about it, and even then he tries to get off the subject as best he can. one thing that people on all spans of the political spectrum, democrats and conservatives alike, love about obama is that he hasn't ONCE used his race in his campaign.


    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo13. View Post
    proved by his victories in the states with a high black community.
    so what? do you have a brain? its common knowledge that a minority racial group generally votes for a specific candidate. but then again, you don't have common knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo13. View Post
    Clinton has alot more experiance
    "experiance" (i think you mean "experience") means nothing. abraham lincoln, long considered the greatest president in united states history, was only senator for two years before he became president.

    i'd try losing your disgusting arrogance and try to learn a few things about, i dont know, anything.


    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    I don't want things to stay the same, it's just he seems to empty and is trying to impersonate MLK.
    so anyone who says they want change is impersonating mlk? or are you saying he can't say change because he's black and it makes him look that way? i get where you're coming from, but he talks about change just as much as any of the candidates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStratocas View Post
    anyone who says this completely idiotic statement that frodo here has said, knows nothing about ANYTHING.

    obama has said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about his race unless SPECIFICALLY asked about it, and even then he tries to get off the subject as best he can. one thing that people on all spans of the political spectrum, democrats and conservatives alike, love about obama is that he hasn't ONCE used his race in his campaign.



    so what? do you have a brain? its common knowledge that a minority racial group generally votes for a specific candidate. but then again, you don't have common knowledge.



    "experiance" (i think you mean "experience") means nothing. abraham lincoln, long considered the greatest president in united states history, was only senator for two years before he became president.

    i'd try losing your disgusting arrogance and try to learn a few things about, i dont know, anything.



    so anyone who says they want change is impersonating mlk? or are you saying he can't say change because he's black and it makes him look that way? i get where you're coming from, but he talks about change just as much as any of the candidates.
    Don't be so god damm rude! Nobody has the right to talk to me like that. Sure you have your view, but your idiotic insults prove you can't have a proper debate without reverting to insults. Pathectic really :rolleyes:
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    Actually it's nothing to do with opinion - Obama hasn't used his race to get votes and experience isn't always the best teller. So yeah, that's not a debate issue and your point is void.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStratocas View Post
    so anyone who says they want change is impersonating mlk? or are you saying he can't say change because he's black and it makes him look that way? i get where you're coming from, but he talks about change just as much as any of the candidates.
    No. It is the way he says it, I just think he's trying to hard to be like MLK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    No. It is the way he says it, I just think he's trying to hard to be like MLK.
    For once, I agree with you. If he wasn't trying hard to be like MLK, people wouldn't be saying that is what he is like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo13. View Post
    Don't be so god damm rude! Nobody has the right to talk to me like that. Sure you have your view, but your idiotic insults prove you can't have a proper debate without reverting to insults. Pathectic really :rolleyes:
    im sorry, but if you make some grand assumption with NO BASIS such as that, it calls for something a bit more than "excuse me, i disagree."

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo13. View Post
    For once, I agree with you. If he wasn't trying hard to be like MLK, people wouldn't be saying that is what he is like.
    the media has been saying that it's what he's like, not him. they exaggerate almost everything.

    for example, your candidate hillary; a while back she got a little bit emotional during a questionnaire at a rally. the media jumped on it saying she way crying her eyes out. looking back at the video, it was really nothing. she just had a little bit of an emotional recollection about the hardships of the race, which is understandable. but all the news could talk about was how she faked her tears to get last minute votes from women, which is completely untrue. that's in defense of hillary by the way.

    unfortunately, being a black and charasmatic politician is still quite unheard of in the united states, so those very simple attributes have left him open to mlk comparisons, no matter how much they don't truly fit him otherwise. but he never, ever, ever exploits it.

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    i support whoever wins..........


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