Halal - Right or Wrong?

[Loser]

I should probably PM him that, just in case he comes back telling everyone that Muslims torture animals... AGAIN!

[jrh2002]

jrh2002, I don't think you understand the concept of Halal meat. Before you talk moron, ask yourself this: Why would there be specialised shops to buy tortured animals, when said Muslim could eat an animal from Sainsburys that wasn't tortured?

Answer: BECAUSE HALAL MEAT ISN'T FROM TORTURED ANIMALS

Sliced throat means instant death. Just because blood is still leaving the body, doesn't mean the animal is still alive.

Edited by lAscend (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't insult other forum members.

Some studies say its instant death and others say the animal suffers so it depends who you believe. I have said I dont care and have no prob eating halal meat myself. The reason for halal is for religious purposes from 1000s of years ago and following on that tradition and if it was not for that I dont think it would be the way to kill animals when there are better methods. What are they trying to drain from the animal with its blood? evil spirits? or some other deluded nonsense.

Thank goodness Ken Bigley never suffered when he had his head chopped off by some lovely muslims I am sure his friends and family appreciate such a humane way to execute him. :eusa_danc

explain the concept please because your post is very hard to follow.

[Tintinnabulate]

What are they trying to drain from the animal with its blood? evil spirits? or some other deluded nonsense.

PMSL.

Anyone or any Muslims wish to comment on what I said earlier?

Islam say they are peaceful but they slit animals neck??? Its totally stupid.
They are the LEAST peacefull religion on earth. They are involved in most of the major terrorist attacks because they want the whole world to convert to Islam.
There have been documentaries where they have filmed in the mosques secretly and the Imam or whatever the preist is called was telling them all its "Muslims job to convert everyone to Islam by all means necessary."
It was on last year on Channel 4. A lot of them even promote terrorism.

Muslims nearly sentenced that woman to death just because she was trying to teach people about Islam and named a teddy bear "Muhammed". Thats crazy. I can't remember what the stupid reason behind it was, but why call people Muhammed then?!?!?!! I mean come on, you cant sentece someone to death or life just for that. Thats seriously stupid.
We are lucky "John, David, Claire etc" arent Muslim names or we would all be dead by now.

You behead people on national TV (Bin Laden etc). They are all Muslims and you might say they are acting on their own and Muslims dont like him, but why is it always Muslims who are involved in most terrorist attacks?

[Loser]

jrh2002: Which post? The one above yours? If so, it's because I've already said most of this before and then people come back saying exactly the same bloody thing, even when I've explained that they're false, or reasons behind it.
The main point in Halal meat is to ensure the animal dies instantly. It is killed immediately and blessed by a Muslim priest (or whatever the right term is).

Soil: Religion is a burden to the human race. I can think of plenty of problems caused by Christianity. FYI, not all Muslims condone terrorisms, not even the majority. Islam is a huge religion and a tiny proportion acts on terrorism.
"Muslims job to convert everyone to Islam by all means necessary." That's often misinterpreted (by terrorists) as to force people into Islam and by others to 'teach' people.

[Herman]

Islam say they are peaceful but they slit animals neck??? Its totally stupid.
They are the LEAST peacefull religion on earth. They are involved in most of the major terrorist attacks because they want the whole world to convert to Islam.
There have been documentaries where they have filmed in the mosques secretly and the Imam or whatever the preist is called was telling them all its "Muslims job to convert everyone to Islam by all means necessary."
It was on last year on Channel 4. A lot of them even promote terrorism.

Muslims nearly sentenced that woman to death just because she was trying to teach people about Islam and named a teddy bear "Muhammed". Thats crazy. I can't remember what the stupid reason behind it was, but why call people Muhammed then?!?!?!! I mean come on, you cant sentece someone to death or life just for that. Thats seriously stupid.
We are lucky "John, David, Claire etc" arent Muslim names or we would all be dead by now.

And this is coming from you. I am speechless.

Let me first point out that this debate is on halal meat, not on how muslims 'promote' terrorism.

Secondly, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to judge the world's muslim community based on what a few terrorists do. Why do you keep generalising muslims? The terrorists are the minority of extremists who try to manipulate people like you and your thoughts on Islam.

And Imams saying that it is a muslim's job to convert all humans to Islam BY ALL MEANS NECCESSARY? Utter rubbish. You are exaggerating, my friend. Where is this documentary? The last time I went to the mosque, we were told to help each other regardless of religion and maintain peace with those who are not muslims because we are one race, the human race.

Yet again, you are judging muslims based on one incident. I agree that it is wrong to sentence someone because they named a teddy bear Muhammad. I can also say that all christians are bad because there was a news article on 2 christians who tortured their son to "clean him off his sins", but of course, I don't generalise like you!

I have christian, buddhist and hindu friends, and I certainly get along with them because we are all able to put aside our differences, our religions, our cultures, to accept one another and live in peace!

Why are you complaining about halal food? If you think the animal dies in a painful way, I ask you, so what? Even if it was put to death peacefully, it still dies, and it goes into your stomach! It just another method of putting the animal down, and I have seen an animal being slaughtered the halal way and it was certainly done quickly! We don't beg for forgiveness after that by the way.

If you don't agree with halal food, you might as well turn vegetarian and go against killing animals for food.

[Tintinnabulate]

And Imams saying that it is a muslim's job to convert all humans to Islam BY ALL MEANS NECCESSARY? Utter rubbish. You are exaggerating, my friend. Where is this documentary? The last time I went to the mosque, we were told to help each other regardless of religion and maintain peace with those who are not muslims because we are one race, the human race.

Why are you complaining about halal food? If you think the animal dies in a painful way, I ask you, so what? Even if it was put to death peacefully, it still dies, and it goes into your stomach! It just another method of putting the animal down, and I have seen an animal being slaughtered the halal way and it was certainly done quickly! We don't beg for forgiveness after that by the way.

If you don't agree with halal food, you might as well turn vegetarian and go against killing animals for food.

Like I said, it was on Channel4 last year in the UK. Do a search on channel4 for the documentaries on Islam last year. The police were even brought in to question the Imam.

"Why are you complaining about halal food? If you think the animal dies in a painful way, I ask you, so what? "
That shows you dont care if the animal suffers ... and you guys say Islam is a peaceful religion??? What a load of crap. And "it still does" - Humans die too, so why isnt murder allowed?

And guess what, I am vegetarian

[Herman]

Like I said, it was on Channel4 last year in the UK. Do a search on channel4 for the documentaries on Islam last year. The police were even brought in to question the Imam.

"Why are you complaining about halal food? If you think the animal dies in a painful way, I ask you, so what? "
That shows you dont care if the animal suffers ... and you guys say Islam is a peaceful religion??? What a load of crap. And "it still does" - Humans die too, so why isnt murder allowed?

And guess what, I am vegetarian

The last paragraph was not directed to you only, but the rest of the forum members, and also for me to stay on topic. I know you are vegetarian, you are Hindu after all.

Saying that humans die is out of the question. We don't kill humans for food, we slaughter animals for food. That is a bad example. What I was trying to say was that if you forum members actually eat meat, why should YOU care how it is killed because it will die eventually and it will go to your stomach.

You can't tell an animal "I'm sorry I have to kill you for food but would you like to die peacefully or the painful way?" Because you are killing it and it will die! And certainly the animal does not want to die. If you think killing animals is wrong you shouldn't eat meat at all, not complain about halal food.

And like I said, it is the minority of extremists who think it is right to kill them to fear others to convert. Surely you don't believe that the entire muslim population feels that way?

I've said enough in the last post, do not ignore what I've said and move on. Live in racial and religious harmony, I'd say.

[Tintinnabulate]

The last paragraph was not directed to you only, but the rest of the forum members, and also for me to stay on topic. I know you are vegetarian, you are Hindu after all.

Saying that humans die is out of the question. We don't kill humans for food, we slaughter animals for food. That is a bad example. What I was trying to say was that if you forum members actually eat meat, why should YOU care how it is killed because it will die eventually and it will go to your stomach.

You can't tell an animal "I'm sorry I have to kill you for food but would you like to die peacefully or the painful way?" Because you are killing it and it will die! And certainly the animal does not want to die. If you think killing animals is wrong you shouldn't eat meat at all, not complain about halal food.

And like I said, it is the minority of extremists who think it is right to kill them to fear others to convert. Surely you don't believe that the entire muslim population feels that way?

I've said enough in the last post, do not ignore what I've said and move on. Live in racial and religious harmony, I'd say.

Not all Hindus are vegetarians. And people here care because they would rather that the animal died quickly and with the minimum pain.
Halal causes more pain and that is why they are debating about this.
And not all muslims are extremists but I know Muslims who are ashamed of Halal and the way its done.

[jrh2002]

jrh2002: Which post? The one above yours? If so, it's because I've already said most of this before and then people come back saying exactly the same bloody thing, even when I've explained that they're false, or reasons behind it.
The main point in Halal meat is to ensure the animal dies instantly. It is killed immediately and blessed by a Muslim priest (or whatever the right term is).

Soil: Religion is a burden to the human race. I can think of plenty of problems caused by Christianity. FYI, not all Muslims condone terrorisms, not even the majority. Islam is a huge religion and a tiny proportion acts on terrorism.
"Muslims job to convert everyone to Islam by all means necessary." That's often misinterpreted (by terrorists) as to force people into Islam and by others to 'teach' people.

A bolt to the head is a split second but just look at that halal vid i posted he has a good chop to get to where he wants and I believe that is alot less humane and even if when the artaries are cut I still believe pain would go to the brain until the brain dies which is far from instant.
the only method for slaughter by companies should be the most humane way and not use some evil spirit crap as an excuse of practicing beheading people.

are you welsh? just the way you type and act reminds me of a few welsh people i know.

[today]

Is Halal used in Britain commercially? If it is then obviously it should banned. As a Christian country we shouldn't be oblidged to impose such ways of killing animals.

I don't personally care how the animal I'm eating was killed, it was probably kept in battery its entire life so I'd prefer to sort that out before I care about how it was killed.

Im with him, i really dont care how it dies as long as it tastes nice.

Which it normally always does.