A Proposal.

[GommeInc]

If you think RVRs don't get a lot of hassle then oh dear... They get it 10x worse than Moderators. I can say that after working in both departments for quite some time.


If onde moderator gets criticised then a lot of the time they actually deserve it for not thinking before they make a decision. Like I said I think I can make quite a decent judgement that other staff get just as much hassle as Moderators because I have worked for a number of departments. Sometimes I see DJ's getting singled out, in fact I see it more than I see Moderators. If you're method was right then surely the HabboxLive Team are the most essential to Habbox because they run a whole site by themselves.

I cannot see any evidence that the department suffers more. The forum is the main place to see all these criticisms come together, and the majority I see are criticisms against the forum department in terms of rules being too strict, moderators doing a bad job and so on and so forth. The Rare Value Department do have alot of work to do as in making sure rare values are correct, but that doesn't contend with the more direct and personal approach that moderators seem to suffer. Moderators know who criticises them, rare value staff don't, because the department is usually considered at fault, not an individual.

How comes ColdPlay is banned?!

[Jordy]

Sometime last year I worked as a Forum Moderator for a couple of months, the dedication and time you have to put into the job is enormous, only once did I get a feeling of 'Oh... no new posts and no post reports, what to do?' - I do understand the hard-work you have to put in, you have to carefully evaluate everything before an infraction and type out edits exactly right otherwise you'll be moaned at by members or even worse by the managers.

I have to agree with Immenseman on this one, the job shouldn't be done for praise. I did the job to fill time and knowingly help the forum, there's always been a bad attitude towards moderators on this forum by a number of users, it's a naturally a job where you'll be hated by some, it's like joining the police in a way. But there is always people who respect you, like they respect the police, these people are usually the one's that shut up and don't do anything, you may not be getting threads saying 'Coldplay you were a wonderful moderator!' or 'Slowpoke thanks for dedicating your time!' but I still have a lot of respect for you.

I'd just ignore all this 'flaming' from members however it shouldn't be confused with constructive criticism. If it gets too out of hand perhaps members could be PMed by Moderator's telling them that they're just trying to do their best and help.

[Immenseman]

I cannot see any evidence that the department suffers more. The forum is the main place to see all these criticisms come together, and the majority I see are criticisms against the forum department in terms of rules being too strict, moderators doing a bad job and so on and so forth. The Rare Value Department do have alot of work to do as in making sure rare values are correct, but that doesn't contend with the more direct and personal approach that moderators seem to suffer. Moderators know who criticises them, rare value staff don't, because the department is usually considered at fault, not an individual.

Well just had a quick look now and there are more direct complaints about DJ's which aren't "valid" or "fair". As normal rare values staff I had plenty of personal attacks not as a department. I don't know where you're getting this information from because I don't remember you being Rare Values Staff in the last two years. I would say Habbox main attraction is Rare Values and then maybe HxL/Forum second. It's ridiculous to say they get more personal attacks:S

[Funya Chin]

I think this might work actually, it gives the users that thrive off punishment or insults nothing therefore they realise etc etc.

[GommeInc]

Well just had a quick look now and there are more direct complaints about DJ's which aren't "valid" or "fair". As normal rare values staff I had plenty of personal attacks not as a department. I don't know where you're getting this information from because I don't remember you being Rare Values Staff in the last two years. I would say Habbox main attraction is Rare Values and then maybe HxL/Forum second. It's ridiculous to say they get more personal attacks:S

You see more of a site from a member point of view than a staff point of view. As far as I can see, and judging by some other people, the forum department is looked upon more than the rare values department, especially considering the fact that the majority of Habbo users use Habbox for trading and that number is alot bigger than the forum members moaning at moderators. The perceivable stats kinda make it obvious. I (and others) see more of the forum department than the rare values department, and the forum is the main source of contact with both deparments. Heck, on Habbo I hear more about the forum department decisions being criticised than the rare values department, and obviously the forum department has little contact with what goes on, on Habbo

[Immenseman]

I see what you mean Adam but things will get so personal between some users and things will be blown out of proportion. Moderation is essential to the forum and they do a great job to keep things in shape. This thread was produced to prove a point, the point we all already know. Moderators are vital to keep HxF going.

[samsaBEAR]

If you think RVRs don't get a lot of hassle then oh dear... They get it 10x worse than Moderators. I can say that after working in both departments for quite some time.


If onde moderator gets criticised then a lot of the time they actually deserve it for not thinking before they make a decision. Like I said I think I can make quite a decent judgement that other staff get just as much hassle as Moderators because I have worked for a number of departments. Sometimes I see DJ's getting singled out, in fact I see it more than I see Moderators. If you're method was right then surely the HabboxLive Team are the most essential to Habbox because they run a whole site by themselves.

Jake I love you, but no. HxL aren't the most essential to Habbox. Without the Mods, it would be chaos. You can say 'we have AGMs, Admins, SMods to help', then be my guest, Let all 15(ish) of you Mod the whole forum.
The fact remains that Mods do the hardest and most important work on a day to day basis, luckily enough I haven't made any bad decisions (in the user's eyes) for them to give me stick, but I'm sure one day I will. Mods get so much stick for just enforcing the rules that the users agreed to obey on sign up.

[The Professor]

How comes ColdPlay is banned?!

You've been here long enough to know that asking that question is futile

As for the topic, I can completely see Jake's POV, in fact he would probably have felt it most being the RV manager. However, as with habboxlive, a lot of the stick forum moderators get is aimed personally at them rather than at the manager or the department as a whole, which makes it get to you more than in other depts. Arguing over which department gets the most stick is very much besides-the-point anyway.

The proposal that Sam put forward is extremely interesting and something which has been suggested many times before. However, for fairly obvious reasons, its extremely unlikely to happen.

[Immenseman]

Jake I love you, but no. HxL aren't the most essential to Habbox. Without the Mods, it would be chaos. You can say 'we have AGMs, Admins, SMods to help', then be my guest, Let all 15(ish) of you Mod the whole forum.
The fact remains that Mods do the hardest and most important work on a day to day basis, luckily enough I haven't made any bad decisions (in the user's eyes) for them to give me stick, but I'm sure one day I will. Mods get so much stick for just enforcing the rules that the users agreed to obey on sign up.

I was saying if we used his way of thinking then surely he would think that, it's not my personal opinion. I can usually see good and bad points for most ideas but I am struggling to see what is postive about this, am I missing something:S

[Funya Chin]

I see what you mean Adam but things will get so personal between some users and things will be blown out of proportion. Moderation is essential to the forum and they do a great job to keep things in shape. This thread was produced to prove a point, the point we all already know. Moderators are vital to keep HxF going.

Super Moderators are vital to keep HxF going, moderators are not.