Whats not up for discussion?

[nvrspk4]

1. If you'd read up you'd see that we are picking out people to lose access to the spam forum, first temporarily then permanantly.

2. The grievance procedure is to maintain fairness and to ensure everyone gets listened to and we don't miss those who don't have connections.

3. I know that we ban bullies, because I have given two people two week bans in the last three days.

4. The reason for the numerically based infraction-ban system is basically the difficulty in assessing what was "too much". For cases of bullying that are clear cut, bans can be made and that may have not been clear, so thank you for bringing that up, I have let the Super Mods now. However when people pick up a myriad of offenses or minor things here and there then is when this syste comes in handy.

5. What red tape is tying up the moderators?

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I got infracted for having friendly banter with Leah :|

yeh you get infracted for having a joke because they dunno if it's a joke or not but when it really is sometimes it takes a while, they can't win coz they get moaned at for infracting when it's a joke but moaned at when they do nothin bout it

The fact moderators have double standards and ban only who they think cause trouble?

I give as good as I get, thickooooos. Gawd I could name a few people who if you removed perm from the spam forum, there would be zero arguments, but no. I'd be one of them obvs, but no, because that'd be so ******* unfair on people and very 'unlike' habbox, so they have to do it to some procedure which a HABBO FORUM has.

the forum is more like a business, with grievance procedures and the all.

theres ya discussion, now discuss on whether you agree or not on how this is the case.

how do you know other's weren't punished? maybe because you've gotten cautioned yeah doesn't mean no-one else got punished!

Thats the idea my dear sir (A)

Guidelines and rules, yet they threaten people who bully like hell... I've never actually seen anyone banned for bullying, except maybe Jen AGES AGO. Its the sort of action which is threatened, but will never really happen UNLESS SOMETHING RLY RLY BAD HAPPENS. You'd need to get the police involved to have that happen, or post a turd through sierk's door lolol.

no-one really bullys that i've seen, bullying is when you just target one person throughout on purpose, i've never actually seen that & yeh i got banned for bullying & i don't remember ever bullying anyone on here

Unfortunately Ryan, if we did not follow the "grievance" procedures you describe we would receive more complaints than we do already. We go through a process that is fair and gives members a number of chances so as to let them prove themselves and understand if they are wrong. Bullying is not tolerated, and Moderators have been told to take a zero-tolerance approach and that is how we will deal with bullying from now on. I know when I was an SMod, members who consistently bullied would be banned without question. Although I don't think it has gone as far as that yet, we will be dealing with those who think they can bully others far harsher than we would other forms of rule breaking.

no-ones bullying, there's bound to be clashes and arguments but oh my god there was so many threads last night that could've been stopped after the first one but it wasn't, it was an an-going argument and why was my 4head one movedd

But Leah even laughed and agreed the picture was her, and I get accused of bullying :@

yet some dude posts a picture of some man in drag and says it's me bout a million times?!?!?

.Thats how I see it anyway, I asked to be banned from the spam forum and thats exactly what I got... for 7 days. You'll still experience problems no matter what because the same old tosspots are in there.

THEN DON'T POST THERE or not get so worked up x x

HabboxForum already reserves the right to ban people without any reason

what?!?

A member may be the root of an argument, but that does not necessarily mean they intend to cause arguments or break rules. Therefore it would be both ridiculous and unprincipled for us to ban that member.

yeh that's true though, i used to be involve with majority of the arguments, well mainly the cause of arguments but never on purpose ofc but most people that do start arguments do it to cause arguments, i just annoyed people and they would start it with me even though it was cause of me i guess

1. If you'd read up you'd see that we are picking out people to lose access to the spam forum, first temporarily then permanantly.

permanantly is harsh, i only use this forum to post in spam because that's where the people i get on with most because we have a laugh that is usually taken for something else. everyone in spam gets on bar the two negative people i can think of who never have anything nice to say anyway and mods always infract the silly things that they shouldn't yet there's been two nights where arguments have broken out and nothing was done till later. oh and would you ban the guys from tech for example if they were all arguing?

[nvrspk4]

permanantly is harsh, i only use this forum to post in spam because that's where the people i get on with most because we have a laugh that is usually taken for something else. everyone in spam gets on bar the two negative people i can think of who never have anything nice to say anyway and mods always infract the silly things that they shouldn't yet there's been two nights where arguments have broken out and nothing was done till later. oh and would you ban the guys from tech for example if they were all arguing?

It will be permanantly after they get chance(s), if they bully once, then they shouldn't continue bullying. If they can't use spam without bullying others, eyth will lose the privilege, simple as.

[FlyingJesus]

Guidelines and rules, yet they threaten people who bully like hell... I've never actually seen anyone banned for bullying, except maybe Jen AGES AGO. Its the sort of action which is threatened, but will never really happen UNLESS SOMETHING RLY RLY BAD HAPPENS. You'd need to get the police involved to have that happen, or post a turd through sierk's door lolol.

Whilst I haven't actually been banned for it, a fair number of old infractions and my one current infraction have the reason "bullying other forum members", so they clearly do act on it.

4. The reason for the numerically based infraction-ban system is basically the difficulty in assessing what was "too much". For cases of bullying that are clear cut, bans can be made and that may have not been clear, so thank you for bringing that up, I have let the Super Mods now. However when people pick up a myriad of offenses or minor things here and there then is when this syste comes in handy.

5. What red tape is tying up the moderators?

Getting banned after a certain number of infractions is a good idea that works well enough in my view, obviously sometimes people need to be banned on the spot but those times can be dealt with as they occur. If people know they'll get banned after a certain number of offences then unless they're trying to get banned I'm fairly sure most will calm down at least temporarily while their infraction count is high, so the system helps with that too.

As for "red tape", the only thing stopping mods ever doing a job (that I've noticed) is not being able to act on staff posts, but that's only a very minor part of the current problems anyway. Can't think of any other restrictions they have so not quite sure if even Fry knows what he meant by that.

yeh you get infracted for having a joke because they dunno if it's a joke or not but when it really is sometimes it takes a while, they can't win coz they get moaned at for infracting when it's a joke but moaned at when they do nothin bout it

This has been a problem for as long as I can remember, there's no way around it really though. If something can be seen as insulting then generally I guess the mods are on call to act, even if only for the purpose of setting example to any would-be troublemakers who'd otherwise think it's fine to abuse people.

[Slowpoke]

I've never actually seen anyone banned for bullying

Maybe because you're not a moderator and therefore aren't informed of ban reasons? I can assure you that, when I was a moderator at least, a lot of people were banned for bullying.

[leah]

It is not just you who receives a punishments for something they have done. Everyone who breaks the rules is dealt with one way or another and a lot of the time everyone but moderators are unaware as to the actions we take and procedures used to stop it from happening.

However, with a ban system in place that is gained by infractions the majority of the time people have overexaggerated and underestimated the actions that are taken and are either said to be too weak or too much.

Well said Yoshi, the ban system atm works well and people are fairly punished. Ofcourse sometimes jokes are taken the wrong way by mods but how are they mean't to know when somethings offensive or not?

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maybe people should know what the mods count as bullying. so far i can see that some are not clear what counts as bullying.

[Nixt]

maybe people should know what the mods count as bullying. so far i can see that some are not clear what counts as bullying.

That is because there is no concise and clear explanation of what can be classed as bullying. Simply put, it is victimising and putting down another member. However there are numerous ways that this can be done and I have seen many different examples of how people bully in my time as a Moderator, particularly at the time I was a Super Moderator and bullying was rife. The important thing is, when a member is bullying / victimising someone else, 99% of the time they are aware they are doing it and therefore know that it is wrong.