European Election Results 2009

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The police have every right to NOT EMPLOY people of certain groups from joining if it is a conflict of interests. Police Officers have power to an extent and meet people from every corner of society, if the Police believe that, as a member of the BNP, they cannot treat everyone equally, THEY WOULD NOT BE SUITABLE FOR THE JOB. Police need to have an unbiased approach for their work. It is their choice after all who to employ.

The BPO is racist, in the way that it ONLY tries to protect people of minorities in the police force, but they are fighting against racism towards their own members and trying to even everything up, therefore it's acceptable. Just as the many single-ethnic associations there are in the UK also, they are acceptable. I assume in Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Dubai, there are also similiar groups for white people.

The BNP are a legal and democratically elected party and no one has the right to punish people for supporting/voting for the BNP. I'd like to turn it around, are police officers who are in socialist/communist partys also being punished? - I doubt it very much. It shows how scared the left are of the right and always have been, them protestors outside Manchester Town Hall last night were most likely Labour supporters and infact the BNP themselves have stated how Labour had behaved last night, the protest was turning violent at one point - so what right do the main partys and them protestors have, to call the BNP thugs? - when they themselves were acting like they were in Zimbabwe.

I'm sorry but they are both as bad as eachother, if you segregate people based on race then that is apartheid, basically racism. In so called to 'combat-racism' they have created a racist group itself, if politicians and the BPOA have a problem with the BNP having a whites only policy, then how can they call the BNP racist when they themselves are doing exactly what the BNP are doing.

We play a leading part in NATO and we're on the UNSC. We're also fighting 2 wars atm (Albeit we just pulled out of Iraq yesterday) and most of our equipment is out-dated Cold War stuff. I personally see it as justified and if anything not enough, we still need more armoured vehicles and more body armour for our troops in Afghanistan.

Eurocrats would think that not a worthy cause of our money and would much rather have that money going into a European military or to carry on their dream of building a unelected-EU superstate that nobody wants.

These elections as Labour keeps saying, aren't a backlash against Labour itself, it is now showing that the majority of this country do not want the European Union, hence why anti-european partys have gained so massively, the vast majority of the votes which went to the Conservatives, UKIP and the BNP all show support not for pro-EU partys, but for partys which are opposed to the European Union.

One day the European Union and its supporters will get the message, especially when proportional representation is eventually introduced, and that message is loud and clear; NO.

[ifuseekamy]

The BNP are a legal and democratically elected party and no one has the right to punish people for supporting/voting for the BNP. I'd like to turn it around, are police officers who are in socialist/communist partys also being punished? - I doubt it very much. It shows how scared the left are of the right and always have been, them protestors outside Manchester Town Hall last night were most likely Labour supporters and infact the BNP themselves have stated how Labour had behaved last night, the protest was turning violent at one point - so what right do the main partys and them protestors have, to call the BNP thugs? - when they themselves were acting like they were in Zimbabwe.

I'm sorry but they are both as bad as eachother, if you segregate people based on race then that is apartheid, basically racism. In so called to 'combat-racism' they have created a racist group itself, if politicians and the BPOA have a problem with the BNP having a whites only policy, then how can they call the BNP racist when they themselves are doing exactly what the BNP are doing.



Eurocrats would think that not a worthy cause of our money and would much rather have that money going into a European military or to carry on their dream of building a unelected-EU superstate that nobody wants.

These elections as Labour keeps saying, aren't a backlash against Labour itself, it is now showing that the majority of this country do not want the European Union, hence why anti-european partys have gained so massively, the vast majority of the votes which went to the Conservatives, UKIP and the BNP all show support not for pro-EU partys, but for partys which are opposed to the European Union.

One day the European Union and its supporters will get the message, especially when proportional representation is eventually introduced, and that message is loud and clear; NO.

It isn't just the left that hates the BNP, the right does too. Although the BNP is only right wing in its "nationalist" approach, socially and economically it is more left wing and appeals to the working class. The BPOA doesn't incite hatred. It's just a stupid organisation founded on political correctness, not malicious neo-nazi ideologies. The BNP is more anti-british than british anyway, if they're going to make britain oh-so-british again what will they do? Destroy all foreign made cars and get rid of curry/kebab/chinese takeaways? It's a failure of a party aimed at idiots. And obviously the EU won't get the message hence they keep holding referendums until people are oblivious and say yes. Luckily we'll probably be dead before having to experience anything similar to '1984'.

[alexxxxx]

The BNP are a legal and democratically elected party and no one has the right to punish people for supporting/voting for the BNP. I'd like to turn it around, are police officers who are in socialist/communist partys also being punished? - I doubt it very much. It shows how scared the left are of the right and always have been, them protestors outside Manchester Town Hall last night were most likely Labour supporters and infact the BNP themselves have stated how Labour had behaved last night, the protest was turning violent at one point - so what right do the main partys and them protestors have, to call the BNP thugs? - when they themselves were acting like they were in Zimbabwe.

I'm sorry but they are both as bad as eachother, if you segregate people based on race then that is apartheid, basically racism. In so called to 'combat-racism' they have created a racist group itself, if politicians and the BPOA have a problem with the BNP having a whites only policy, then how can they call the BNP racist when they themselves are doing exactly what the BNP are doing.

I smell a closet BNP supporter. No, being a communist or socialist supporter doesn't stop a policeman from doing his job. He or She still treats everyone equally, but his political views are not likely to intefere with their job. It could be argued that the BNP's views (I once saw a particularly derogratry cartoon on their website with some horribly negatively-stereotyped racist figures) on immigrants and asylum seekers (and anyone not traditionally british) could intefere. Being a socialist or a communist doesn't. The people outside in manchester were holding UaF signs (United against Fascism) and could have been supporters of the greens, ukip, conservative, libertas, jury team, labour or any political party who HATE RACISM. Hating racists isn't exclusively a labour trait. Violence is always wrong, but sometimes you have to take better of the two evils. If the BNP were elected to government here, I would have no problems in joining a street mob. The BNP are scum and will always be scum. The dangerously left-wing nutter paper, the guardian, has written a nice piece about the newly elected BNP member Andrew Brons. He was in mobs in THIS country, militant right-winger. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...-elections-bnp They can't complain about people marching against them as they've done it themselves. They are thugs. Just with a smile.

No, it ISN'T as bad as the BNP. The BPOA allow ANYONE within policing to join them, the BNP only allow white people. It's the same as women's rights groups. It's sad we need them, but it's a sign of change. There will be a day when the BPOA and other similiar organisations will no longer need to exist.

Just add a BNP supporter logo to your name now. I won't think any less of you.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I smell a closet BNP supporter. No, being a communist or socialist supporter doesn't stop a policeman from doing his job. He or She still treats everyone equally, but his political views are not likely to intefere with their job. It could be argued that the BNP's views (I once saw a particularly derogratry cartoon on their website with some horribly negatively-stereotyped racist figures) on immigrants and asylum seekers (and anyone not traditionally british) could intefere. Being a socialist or a communist doesn't. The people outside in manchester were holding UaF signs (United against Fascism) and could have been supporters of the greens, ukip, conservative, libertas, jury team, labour or any political party who HATE RACISM. Hating racists isn't exclusively a labour trait. Violence is always wrong, but sometimes you have to take better of the two evils. If the BNP were elected to government here, I would have no problems in joining a street mob. The BNP are scum and will always be scum. The dangerously left-wing nutter paper, the guardian, has written a nice piece about the newly elected BNP member Andrew Brons. He was in mobs in THIS country, militant right-winger. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...-elections-bnp They can't complain about people marching against them as they've done it themselves. They are thugs. Just with a smile.

No, it ISN'T as bad as the BNP. The BPOA allow ANYONE within policing to join them, the BNP only allow white people. It's the same as women's rights groups. It's sad we need them, but it's a sign of change. There will be a day when the BPOA and other similiar organisations will no longer need to exist.

Just add a BNP supporter logo to your name now. I won't think any less of you.

I have said before I agree with some elements of their policies (I DO think we should have controlled immigration, I DO think we should leave the EU) although I do think they go too far and are racist in some areas. I think if the BNP were incharge the economy would go bust as they support a Labour doctrine of nationalising industry. I may agree with certain things out of the BNP's doctrine, but so do you, I presume; support nationalising everything as it was before Margaret Thatcher? - I am not accusing you of being supportive of the BNP now am I?

Socialism and communism is just as far and radical as the BNP are. Socialists would gladly like a revolution in this country and that would threaten our democracy and our monarchy. I can tell you now that them people were most likely from the left side of politics. In the 1970s in Liverpool, if you had put a Conservative poster up in your window when everyone else had Labour up then your window was bricked in. Let us compare this to a possible Conservative area, if I was in a Conservative area and I put a Labour poster in my window I can gurantee the chances of my window being bricks are almost zero. It is the same with prisoners, what party do you think prisoners are most likely to support? - Labour, without a doubt.

You would join a street mob despite the BNP being a democratically elected government? - if the BNP acted like that right now because Labour are in power i'm pretty sure you would be one of those shouting racist facists who should be locked up. Socialists never like it when their position of power is ebbing away or when they can't get what they want, hence why the Russian Revolution was only ever supported by a small group of people who were socialists.

The BNP are legal and have been democratically elected whether you like it or not, and when people on the media and on here are going to be politically correct and shout racist to the BNP because of them having a whites-only policy, I will confront that as I have done and people have still not answered this very simple question; how can it be racist for the BNP to have a whites-only policy when we have a Black Police Officers Association?

Legally anyone can join the BNP due to equality laws, if it is just an association then why has it got the word black in it? - These organisations do not need to exist, there is no need for them - if these groups closed tonight in the morning I can tell you now, that over half the BNPs' support will of dropped away.

While we have continuous political correctness from this government and from you it seems and even from the press/politicians who have even tried to label even UKIP racist in the past, then i'm all for the BNP to go on and win seats because maybe one day this government will sit up and listen, and its the same with Cameron who now makes no mention of core Conservative beliefs of the EU, immigration and so forth.

As ifuseekamy says, the BNP is rather socialist in its message and that is another reason why I do not support them, along with the fact that I know their message is just as bad as the message this government is sending out, creating an apartheid system. Do not say I support the BNP when I clearly don't, as that is one thing I cannot stand, people putting words in my mouth.

[alexxxxx]

I have said before I agree with some elements of their policies (I DO think we should have controlled immigration, I DO think we should leave the EU) although I do think they go too far and are racist in some areas. I think if the BNP were incharge the economy would go bust as they support a Labour doctrine of nationalising industry. I may agree with certain things out of the BNP's doctrine, but so do you, I presume; support nationalising everything as it was before Margaret Thatcher? - I am not accusing you of being supportive of the BNP now am I?

That's ridiculous, you won't condone they're racist and they're unfit for government and you wish they get seats. That's called supporting. I hate the BNP, I actively hate them and I condone them. Of course I don't support the BNP.

Socialism and communism is just as far and radical as the BNP are. Socialists would gladly like a revolution in this country and that would threaten our democracy and our monarchy. I can tell you now that them people were most likely from the left side of politics. In the 1970s in Liverpool, if you had put a Conservative poster up in your window when everyone else had Labour up then your window was bricked in. Let us compare this to a possible Conservative area, if I was in a Conservative area and I put a Labour poster in my window I can gurantee the chances of my window being bricks are almost zero. It is the same with prisoners, what party do you think prisoners are most likely to support? - Labour, without a doubt.

Police aren't an army to take on anyone, they arrest people for selling drugs, fights and racial abuse. A policeman who thinks that everything should be nationalised and believe that socialism would be the best course of action in the UK won't be affected if he sees a racially-aggregated attack, whilst a BNP would be more likely to. If the Police feel a police officer's membership of the SWP clouds their judgement, I'd expect they'd ask them to leave also.

BNP is a symbol of racism in general, conservatives hate racism, labour hate racism, ukip hate racism (probably) and the lib dems hate racism. If I put a conservative poster in my window, noone would care, if I put a UKIP poster, noone would care, if i put a lib dem poster, noone would care - it's the same for ALMOST everywhere. Why would prisoners definately vote labour? No substance whatsoever.

You would join a street mob despite the BNP being a democratically elected government? - if the BNP acted like that right now because Labour are in power i'm pretty sure you would be one of those shouting racist facists who should be locked up. Socialists never like it when their position of power is ebbing away or when they can't get what they want, hence why the Russian Revolution was only ever supported by a small group of people who were socialists.

The BNP have ALREADY done this. Their members were parts of the National Front who organised rallies and murdered anti-fascists. BNP members WERE (and still are) militant right-wingers. It's fact.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/ju...rright.ukcrime

I hate racism, I hate how someone can be told 'you can't do this, you can't be this' because of something they cannot control. You call yourself a freemarketer, but you aren't, you think you are, but you aren't. A freemarketer LOVES open borders, LOVES immigrants, LOVES international cooperation because they are a basic barrier in the economic model.

The BNP are legal and have been democratically elected whether you like it or not, and when people on the media and on here are going to be politically correct and shout racist to the BNP because of them having a whites-only policy, I will confront that as I have done and people have still not answered this very simple question; how can it be racist for the BNP to have a whites-only policy when we have a Black Police Officers Association?

Because the BNP are whites only, whilst the BPOA's goal is to eliminate racism in the police force. The BPOA allows anyone of any race to join. BNP however, DON'T. I've replied to your question, I responded with 'The BPOA is a racist organisation' - as it predominately helps to combat racism with non-whites.' The BPOA also DO care about racism against white people also: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/aug/22/race.ukcrime

Does that not quite fit in with your argument?

Legally anyone can join the BNP due to equality laws, if it is just an association then why has it got the word black in it? - These organisations do not need to exist, there is no need for them - if these groups closed tonight in the morning I can tell you now, that over half the BNPs' support will of dropped away.

It's got the word 'black' in it because that's what the cause is generally for. It's for people who are not white mostly. But everyone is allowed to join and support the cause for removing racial barriers. The BNP polled LESS votes this time than last time, it's only because of a drop in turnout.

While we have continuous political correctness from this government and from you it seems and even from the press/politicians who have even tried to label even UKIP racist in the past, then i'm all for the BNP to go on and win seats because maybe one day this government will sit up and listen, and its the same with Cameron who now makes no mention of core Conservative beliefs of the EU, immigration and so forth.

So you are a supporter of the BNP. You want them to win seats... UKIP aren't racist they're just rubbish. The people of britain will see. I expect UKIP and BNP will be hunted down over the next 5 years by the media to see what they get up to in the EU Parliament. Why would the conservatives be not for EU and immigration? They passed the Masstrict (cba to spell) treaty giving the EU the power it has today.

As ifuseekamy says, the BNP is rather socialist in its message and that is another reason why I do not support them, along with the fact that I know their message is just as bad as the message this government is sending out, creating an apartheid system. Do not say I support the BNP when I clearly don't, as that is one thing I cannot stand, people putting words in my mouth.

You DO support them though. You just said.

[Ostinato]

[COLOR=navy][B]how can it be racist for the BNP to have a whites-only policy when we have a Black Police Officers Association?

Because if you actually have any background knowledge on the Police and the entry system you would be aware of the high level of racism that occured in relation to the acceptance of Black candidates and the shockingly low proportion of them in comparison to whites who where being accepted despite their level of qualification, physical and mental abilities.

The BNP's "white only" policy is something very different indeed though. Your colour does not affect your ability in any respect and ultimately the creation of the Black Police Officers Association is to address the issue of racism faced against Blacks - as has been proven.

The creation of the BNP does not provide the same facility however. Whites can join any political party and so can Blacks. Therefore there is ultimately no racism in relation to this aspect of politics or entry. I therefore find it ludicrous that people such as yourself and BNP continually try and throw out this argument that you are somewhat on the same level or playing field as the BPOA when you quite clearly are not.

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I am a for free market, I am for immigration - I am not however, for uncontrolled immigration in which dangerous criminals and people who we do not need are coming in. People of this country were never asked if they even wanted immigration or multi-culturalism, personally I do as it is a benefit to the economy if managed - that is the crucial difference.

If the BPOA are for people of all colours then why do they have Black in their title? - sorry this 'battling racism' argument does not hold up, we're all supposedly against racism so why do we need an organisation for just black people? - we don't and until organisations like that are finished then the BNP will have support.

The BNP have been violent in the past, but so have the opposing side to the BNP. How can anti-facist protestors preach about peace, democracy and equality when they themselves were turning violet last night? - hypocrisy, and that is just how the BNP gathers its support.

I do not support the BNP, me wanting BNP to gain seats isn't me supporting them at all, thats like saying if I wish for the Liberal Democrats to take a Labour seat at the next General Election then I support the Liberal Democrats - again, putting words in my mouth. I want them to make a impact such as in the European Elections so that of course they will not get into power anytime soon, but will hopefully begin to raise the issue of political correctness in this country, which the three main partys are unwilling to discuss.

The BNP stand against a lot of things I support and they are racist thugs yes, no denying that - my point is, until organisations which create an equal apartheid such as the BPOA are abolished, then the BNP will have a case and will continue to be democratically elected.

Why would most prisoners vote Labour? - because the EU, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are the ones who have been pushing to give them the vote. Lets face it truthfully, murderers and so forth have never had it so good before, thanks to Labour. Ian Huntley has his gaming console to play on at our expense despite him murdering two little girls, and the other prisoners must love the fact that under this government prison sentences have become a utter joke.

UKIP are gaining ground and you eurocrats don't like it, if your so against the BNP for being racist and facist, then why aren't you against the dictators in the EU who aren't even elected. I would like to ask, do you think we should be given a referendum on the EU? - of course you will probably say no, because you know it will lose.

UKIP make a very good argument and its a very simple argument, why should we pay to fund an organisation which is not even democratically elected that can overrule our own parliament?

Why is it so hard to understand that people do not want the European Union, tell me why it is so hard to understand this?

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I am a for free market, I am for immigration - I am not however, for uncontrolled immigration in which dangerous criminals and people who we do not need are coming in. People of this country were never asked if they even wanted immigration or multi-culturalism, personally I do as it is a benefit to the economy if managed - that is the crucial difference.

If the BPOA are for people of all colours then why do they have Black in their title? - sorry this 'battling racism' argument does not hold up, we're all supposedly against racism so why do we need an organisation for just black people? - we don't and until organisations like that are finished then the BNP will have support.

The BNP stand against a lot of things I support and they are racist thugs yes, no denying that - my point is, until organisations which create an equal apartheid such as the BPOA are abolished, then the BNP will have a case and will continue to be democratically elected.


UKIP make a very good argument and its a very simple argument, why should we pay to fund an organisation which is not even democratically elected that can overrule our own parliament?

Why is it so hard to understand that people do not want the European Union, tell me why it is so hard to understand this?

Seriously, do you understand what the word 'hypocrisy' means?
You are sitting spouting all your crap about how why should we have an organisation which isn't democratically elected and that you don't see how it's so hard to understand people do not want something that isn't elected in a democratic way....
Fair enough - but Gordon Brown anyone? ;l

You say all that crap yet you support Gordon Brown (as I have witnessed in your other posts). Gordon Brown was never once democratically elected. The party was and Tony Blair was a leader - but not once did I vote for Gordon Brown to lead this country. Likewise it is pretty evident that the country no longer want him in charge and want to call a General Election. So if you seriously want to run on the grounds of all your abolishing what wasn't "democratically elected" and stuff that "people don't want" - then I think you should very closely take a look at Gordon Brown who you support and condone to lead this country.

I also find it particularly humorous you say "why do we need an organisation only for black people" yet you then go on to condone one soley for whites?!
Surely, anyone who can sit and dispute over such a matter and totally condemn an organisation set up for one individual race alone should surely not then condone another?!

And, although you have ignored my previous post, I would like to reiterate that I seriously think you should maybe do some research on why the BPOA was set up and you will see pretty evidently that it was for some very relative reasons - unlike the very deluded BNP.

I think the common theme I am noticing out of the good majority of your posts is your total hypocrisy and double standards that constantly creep in.

You are all for damning something not voted democratically and that the people do not want - yet you support Gordon Brown.
You are also against an organisation based for one race - yet you clearly have support for BNP.

You make me lol tbh.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Seriously, do you understand what the word 'hypocrisy' means?
You are sitting spouting all your crap about how why should we have an organisation which isn't democratically elected and that you don't see how it's so hard to understand people do not want something that isn't elected in a democratic way....
Fair enough - but Gordon Brown anyone? ;l

You say all that crap yet you support Gordon Brown (as I have witnessed in your other posts). Gordon Brown was never once democratically elected. The party was and Tony Blair was a leader - but not once did I vote for Gordon Brown to lead this country. Likewise it is pretty evident that the country no longer want him in charge and want to call a General Election. So if you seriously want to run on the grounds of all your abolishing what wasn't "democratically elected" and stuff that "people don't want" - then I think you should very closely take a look at Gordon Brown who you support and condone to lead this country.

I also find it particularly humorous you say "why do we need an organisation only for black people" yet you then go on to condone one soley for whites?!
Surely, anyone who can sit and dispute over such a matter and totally condemn an organisation set up for one individual race alone should surely not then condone another?!

And, although you have ignored my previous post, I would like to reiterate that I seriously think you should maybe do some research on why the BPOA was set up and you will see pretty evidently that it was for some very relative reasons - unlike the very deluded BNP.

I think the common theme I am noticing out of the good majority of your posts is your total hypocrisy and double standards that constantly creep in.

You are all for damning something not voted democratically and that the people do not want - yet you support Gordon Brown.
You are also against an organisation based for one race - yet you clearly have support for BNP.

You make me lol tbh.

What?

I support Gordon Brown?

LOL!

You have just made the biggest fool of yourself, if you had indeed read my posts and not just looked at the poll where I voted for him to stay in office, you would realise I hate the man and only wish for him to stay so Labour do terrible in the General Election. I hate everything Labour stand for, the EU and Gordon Brown both need to go and never come back.

On the BNP I do not support them as I have stated before, I am just putting the argument forward that until its fair on both sides, then the BNP will indeed have support.

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I think if he stays, things can only get better in the long-term

Well if you trully do not support him i do apologise but it was the message I seemed to get.

I think your indictment of me "making the biggest fool of myself ever" is a tad dramatic to be quite honest. I think you will find if you actually look back over your array of posts and see your ever changing attitude and stance towards issues and clear presence of self double standards - I am most certainly not the fool on this occasion. :rolleyes:

In addition, I am sorry but I disagree with the fact that you claim you do not support BNP. Whether or not you would go out and vote for them at the next general election does not define whether or not you support them.

The fact you are actually taking so much time and effort to argue with other members in relation to BNP and their poltical policies - you are in turn giving them support. Therefore you support them. You may not support them directly or support all their policies, but you definitely are showing everyone you support them to some extent.

For you to claim you do not support them, is like me posting numerous messages saying how much Gordon Brown should remain in power because his policies are correct or that things could only get better - then turning round and saying I do not support him would simply be completely ludicrous, as you are in affect giving them at least some level of political party support.