You really want him as PM...

[LuketheDuke]

What? Where are you getting these things from? It was Labour who took national debt to below 40% of the countries GDP in 2001. :S

They gave the Labour gvt. over 50% of our GDP, simple economics states thats terrible!

[alexxxxx]

Can someone please post some evidence. Undertakers arguments aren't generally backed up with facts or evidence. It's like listening to the the daily mail.

"Prisoners would vote for labour' how do you know that? With what evidence can you make that claim?

[-:Undertaker:-]

If the Conservatives had left office with a terrible debt then Labour wouldn't of been able to spend as much as it has - simple. BBC and even Labour supporters/MP's don't deny that when John Major left office, the balance was at one of its best in history and now it is sprialling out of control as the government refuse to cut spending which at its current level, is unsustainable.

I didn't state that was a fact, just like you put words in my mouth like you just have. I said lets turn the claim made against the tories on its head and I stated that, and I believe that is true. Who are softer on crime? - Labour, who always get more support from crime ridden areas - Labour.

[Technologic]

The guy has a sense of humour, sue him.

[jam666]

What? Where are you getting these things from? It was Labour who took national debt to below 40% of the countries GDP in 2001. :S

They gave the Labour gvt. over 50% of our GDP, simple economics states thats terrible!

Please please please please please STOP.

These arguments from labour supporters are driving me crazy.

The conservatives left government with one of the BEST debt records this country has ever seen so do not start saying labour brought the debt level to below 40% GDP in 2001 as it is clearly stupid when you look at the mess were in now.

Why do you think we are in debt now and will be until atleast 2030? because LABOUR KEEPS SPENDING!!! and has been spending since 1997!

Can i also point out labour did not get the debt to below 40%, it was actually the economy... as the general GDP for that year was quite high so it offset the labour governments spending thats why it fell to below 40%.

[Niall!]

Hey, shouldn't you guys be going out having sex and getting pissed instead of arguing about politics? Seriously, lifes are on sale in Tesco for 49p, get one quick.

[LuketheDuke]

Not even a Labour supporter, Im just proving that this talk of the Tories being great masters of financial administration are completely ridiculous and the argument against Labour is flawed.

They spearheaded a super economy in the late 90's and early 00's and it was due to their budgets that the economy improved and national debt dropped. The spending STARTED when the war began in 2003, it multiplied recently in the face of recession.

The tories did not leave in 97 with anything credibility in that department, events like Black Wednesday proved that.

If you want a great financial reformer look at Sir Robert Peel. None exist nowadays but i detest Tory supporters thinking their parties strategy is any good as Cameron is being hasty with that sectors hed cut from without sparking outrage from us the Joe Public.

[alexxxxx]

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk...ebt_chart.html

Here are the actual figures. it's not hard to back up arguments with facts. saying 'all criminals support labour because they are soft on crime' isn't a fact and isn't an opinion based on fact, it is just a statement with no backing. Find some data or a source and it becomes an argument. It's simple essay writing and discussion skills.

[jam666]

Not even a Labour supporter, Im just proving that this talk of the Tories being great masters of financial administration are completely ridiculous and the argument against Labour is flawed.

They spearheaded a super economy in the late 90's and early 00's and it was due to their budgets that the economy improved and national debt dropped. The spending STARTED when the war began in 2003, it multiplied recently in the face of recession.

The tories did not leave in 97 with anything credibility in that department, events like Black Wednesday proved that.

If you want a great financial reformer look at Sir Robert Peel. None exist nowadays but i detest Tory supporters thinking their parties strategy is any good as Cameron is being hasty with that sectors hed cut from without sparking outrage from us the Joe Public.

Here is a quote from the iron Lady herself.

"Eleven years ago we rescued Britain from the parlous state to which socialism had brought it. Once again Britain stands tall in the councils of Europe and of the world. Over the last decade, we have given power back to the people on an unprecedented scale. We have given back control to people over their own lives and over their livelihoods, over the decisions that matter most to them and their families. We have done it by curbing the monopoly power of trade unions to control, even victimize the individual worker"

This is what happened then and its what is happening now with the current labour government.

Hmmm seems abit odd that Thatchers government could manage finances during the Cold and Gulf wars but the labour government cant at this moment in time, doesnt it......

[LuketheDuke]

Hum Thatcher wasnt in charge of Britain in the peak of the Cold War in the 1960's. Neither was she in charge during the Gulf War during 1991, that was Major. The Falklands did mark a period of spending however.

Neither do I support Labour, I think Blairs failure to regulate the banking industry led to this collapse so agreed I dislike our present government. But during the last recession Thatcher dealt with it by destroying certain industires like coal mining as it was a neccessary cut from the budgets.

I just don't think anyone competant with the economy, may as well chuck a calculator at a monkey and he'd be more aware than Darling.