You really want him as PM...

[alexxxxx]

The figures show a recent surge in borrowing (in % terms) as the governement attemps to spend its way out of recession (which appears to be working at the moment). However the levels of debt before this are fairly similiar to those under the tories. This fianancial crisis is not a regular occurance, it's a serious problem. That's why borrowing needed to be increased. Many developed nations in the world took this step and much of the world is in recession. You can't blame the UK government for this.

[jam666]

The figures show a recent surge in borrowing (in % terms) as the governement attemps to spend its way out of recession (which appears to be working at the moment). However the levels of debt before this are fairly similiar to those under the tories. This fianancial crisis is not a regular occurance, it's a serious problem. That's why borrowing needed to be increased. Many developed nations in the world took this step and much of the world is in recession. You can't blame the UK government for this.

No one has blamed the UK government for this, we are simply blaiming the way they have DEALT with the situation.

Also, why bother saving failing industries that are a drain on the economy for example mining.

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk...ebt_chart.html

Here are the actual figures. it's not hard to back up arguments with facts. saying 'all criminals support labour because they are soft on crime' isn't a fact and isn't an opinion based on fact, it is just a statement with no backing. Find some data or a source and it becomes an argument. It's simple essay writing and discussion skills.

I didn't say it was a fact as I said before, so stop putting words in my mouth as you Labour supporters are so good at. I said it wasn't a fact and it can't be backed up, however I then put the point across that in a area such as the criminal estates/bad parts of cities across the United Kingdom, parts of Liverpool included - who do them areas normally vote for? - Labour.

If people are going to play the class war then I shall play the class war, its amazing how Labour supporters dont like playing the class war when its on them, but when its on the Conservatives they are always first to dish the dirt.

Hey, shouldn't you guys be going out having sex and getting pissed instead of arguing about politics? Seriously, lifes are on sale in Tesco for 49p, get one quick.

Coming from the person who still plays Pokemon?

Not even a Labour supporter, Im just proving that this talk of the Tories being great masters of financial administration are completely ridiculous and the argument against Labour is flawed.

They spearheaded a super economy in the late 90's and early 00's and it was due to their budgets that the economy improved and national debt dropped. The spending STARTED when the war began in 2003, it multiplied recently in the face of recession.

The tories did not leave in 97 with anything credibility in that department, events like Black Wednesday proved that.

If you want a great financial reformer look at Sir Robert Peel. None exist nowadays but i detest Tory supporters thinking their parties strategy is any good as Cameron is being hasty with that sectors hed cut from without sparking outrage from us the Joe Public.

Labour never spearheaded anything, they just were caretakers of the reforms Margaret Thatcher made and meanwhile made awful financial decisions. Whether we had regulation or not would not of made any difference, capitalism needs bust to boom. This myth that has grown around Gordon Browns chancellorship is a myth, it was not Brown who created that prosperity it was the individual who was able to create such a boom thanks to the reforms Thatcher brought in.

I do not blame Labour or Gordon Brown for the bust, I think overall in the end the bust was nessacery and will in turn create new growth as it always does and has to in a capitalist economy. I do however blame him for awful financial decisions and for being unprepared.

Hum Thatcher wasnt in charge of Britain in the peak of the Cold War in the 1960's. Neither was she in charge during the Gulf War during 1991, that was Major. The Falklands did mark a period of spending however.

Neither do I support Labour, I think Blairs failure to regulate the banking industry led to this collapse so agreed I dislike our present government. But during the last recession Thatcher dealt with it by destroying certain industires like coal mining as it was a neccessary cut from the budgets.

I just don't think anyone competant with the economy, may as well chuck a calculator at a monkey and he'd be more aware than Darling.

The difference between the Conservatives and Labour are evident in terms of recovery time. The Conservatives in the recession recovered quickly without large debts, because they had saved money and spent sensibly and knew when to stop. Labour does not know when to stop and never had, 1979 a prime example when we had to appeal to the IMF because the idiot James Callaghan had run the country into the ground, along with his party and its unions.

Margaret Thatcher had a far bigger job than sorting out a recession, the reforms she placed were the difference between falling into a socialist nightmare or surviving and transforming into a strong, capitalist and free country in which the individual and not the state had control. It worked.

[Wolves]

Hey, shouldn't you guys be going out having sex and getting pissed instead of arguing about politics? Seriously, lifes are on sale in Tesco for 49p, get one quick.

I so agree with you, politics is for virgins.

Cough *half of this thread* Cough

[alexxxxx]

this forum is pathetic and every thread turns into the same argument. which is never coherent. undertaker, find out what an argument is, it's where you back things up with facts, hard facts or where you can put an opinion over with some backing.

until people can come up with decent arguments without justs saying things, i'm not posting here again.

[Wolves]

I thought I was the only one that didn't agree with Undertaker, now I realize so does the whole forum!

[Niall!]

Coming from the person who still plays Pokemon?

Something I can talk about to other people without sending them to sleep, and some exs of mine also played Pokemon. *Removed*

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[-:Undertaker:-]

this forum is pathetic and every thread turns into the same argument. which is never coherent. undertaker, find out what an argument is, it's where you back things up with facts, hard facts or where you can put an opinion over with some backing.

until people can come up with decent arguments without justs saying things, i'm not posting here again.

You mean like the other threads where you decided to leave, and just like this thread again which you are leaving. I know why you are leaving, because jam666 has come in and started talking some sense into you all which you all seem to have no reply/comeback to what he writes.

That is always the way isn't it, get annoyed/don't know what to say and just call the thread pathetic and leave, the next Neil Kinnock.

I thought I was the only one that didn't agree with Undertaker, now I realize so does the whole forum!

You mean as in alexxxx and a few other Labour supporters?

Something I can talk about to other people without sending them to sleep, and some exs of mine also played Pokemon. *Removed*

You brought up the topic of not having a life, to me and to many they would rather talk about politics than talk about pikachu and ash throwing their pokemon balls at evil pokemon monsters.

[Immenseman]

Brown > Cameron :eusa_danc

[Wolves]

You mean like the other threads where you decided to leave, and just like this thread again which you are leaving. I know why you are leaving, because jam666 has come in and started talking some sense into you all which you all seem to have no reply/comeback to what he writes.

That is always the way isn't it, get annoyed/don't know what to say and just call the thread pathetic and leave, the next Neil Kinnock.



You mean as in alexxxx and a few other Labour supporters?



You brought up the topic of not having a life, to me and to many they would rather talk about politics than talk about pikachu and ash throwing their pokemon balls at evil pokemon monsters.

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