Banning hotmail/live for member

[The Professor]

Could you answer my question anytime soon, what security risk does NORMAL MEMBER pose to habboxforum?

Staff, ok some have mod powers, smod power, can post in announcements, can see things normal people aren't meant to see.

Normal members, ok have no powers, can see things everyone could see regardless, at worst could make a post with a pornographic image or a pointless post, which you hired mods in the first place to deal with

When a member starts spamming the forum its very difficult to get it all under control, especially if no smods are online at the time (if the spammer is smart, he'll choose that time to start spamming). It isn't a security risk as such, it seems habbox are trying to get to the root of spamming problems rather than deal with it and as when it happens. It makes sense but I still don't agree with the implementation.

Of course, maybe that isn't what they were thinking at all but that's the only plausible reason I can think of.

[Dentafrice]

Not to be an ass but I've stated pretty clearly that we have taken into consideration some of the things that were discussed, most of which was considered, some of which is being brought to light now. However we do have a set period over which we will be testing it and I intend to allow it to run over the testing period.

After that period is over, I will look at the results. If I'm wrong, I'm not afraid to admit that and I will repeal the changes. If the results show me that its very beneficial for Habbox to adopt, then I will discuss it with my AGM team and we will consider adopting it permanantly.

For now, sit tight, your forum accounts will not be affected.

Congratulations, you made it pretty clear.. but that doesn't mean we have to stop expressing our opinions, thoughts, and issues on the matter.

Just because you have spoken and told us what you will do, are going to do, or anything like that.. that doesn't mean that we still don't have concerns.. or everyone has spoken their opinion on the matter yet.. you're not the only one who can speak..

That's just what you made it sound like.

[Monopoly]

Not to be an ass but I've stated pretty clearly that we have taken into consideration some of the things that were discussed, most of which was considered, some of which is being brought to light now. However we do have a set period over which we will be testing it and I intend to allow it to run over the testing period.

After that period is over, I will look at the results. If I'm wrong, I'm not afraid to admit that and I will repeal the changes. If the results show me that its very beneficial for Habbox to adopt, then I will discuss it with my AGM team and we will consider adopting it permanantly.

For now, sit tight, your forum accounts will not be affected.

Why don't you just listen to the users, you know, the most important people on this board, rather than going ahead and testing something WE DON'T WANT.

It's that simple.

[nvrspk4]

Could you answer my question anytime soon, what security risk does NORMAL MEMBER pose to habboxforum?

Staff, ok some have mod powers, smod power, can post in announcements, can see things normal people aren't meant to see.

Normal members, ok have no powers, can see things everyone could see regardless, at worst could make a post with a pornographic image or a pointless post, which you hired mods in the first place to deal with

If you read the post it was due to the high number of people getting hacked through hotmail email addresses. It does cause a problem when people get hacked because of the backend, sometimes the hackers change the recovery message (as its fairly easy to do) so its a lengthy process getting people back on the forum, if they don't have enough details there's very little we can do.

Congratulations, you made it pretty clear.. but that doesn't mean we have to stop expressing our opinions, thoughts, and issues on the matter.

Just because you have spoken and told us what you will do, are going to do, or anything like that.. that doesn't mean that we still don't have concerns.. or everyone has spoken their opinion on the matter yet.. you're not the only one who can speak..

That's just what you made it sound like.

I'm sorry if I made it sound like that, you're absolutely right, express what you want, however it seems like certain people are trying to convince me. You are entitled to have your discussion, or roast, whatever, but I wanted to make a final post on the issue at hand to show what my position was and what it would continue to be

And I think that several people missed the original post so I wanted to get a second one in there :eusa_whis

I apologize if I came across like that but I was getting a little bit tired of some of the remarks that were more destructive than constructive. Normally I ignore them but with finals I'm a bit crankier than usual

Why don't you just listen to the users, you know, the most important people on this board, rather than going ahead and testing something WE DON'T WANT.

It's that simple.

I'm sorry but get off your high horse and get a grounding before you start making baseless accusations. Since I took over as GM, one of the biggest improvements has been the amount we listen to users. If you took the time to go through and read all the forum changes you would see all the credit given to users, the number of ideas that have originated out of this forum.

At times we make administrative decisions that aren't popular and at the end of the day, this is a free service and at times we have to make unpopular decisions for what we believe is the greater good. We have a method for you to express yourselves, and you have done just that. You have also recieved a reply stating very clearly that your points are valid, and explaining why we have considered that points but choose to trial it regardless. So yes, we did listen to the users, however listening to the users does not imply always doing what is suggested. Though I would point out that even when we need to make those decisions at an administrative level (ie: cutting down the number of forums) we did try and take the maximum level of user input (by utilizing the forum chopping block thread).

So please, get your facts straight before you lecture me.

[GommeInc]

I don't get the rule. Can't people use gmail and yahoo next? It's just a small inconvenience that should of been implemented years ago when Hotmail/MSN addresses were easy to comprimise, even though normal email addresses are just as bad! Surely the idea should be to warn people of these dangers and how to better protect their email addresses? A simple message similar to what I think new members get when they join would of been useful, but I'm not new so wouldn't know

[scottish]

Yes but i'd assume majority of members wouldn't make a new email account etc just to sign up to a forum, when i could go to chf, hffm or something and sign up with a hotmail account :S

[GrandTheftAudio]

It seems like a step too far. But I've noticed ***** members are increasingly trying to attack larger fan forums like Habbox, and also did not that long ago.
Reverting an email is easy peasy so basically all msn emails on this forum are at risk.

I do agree though that if a guest has to make a new email to join they simply will go else where.

[Monopoly]

I'm sorry but get off your high horse and get a grounding before you start making baseless accusations. Since I took over as GM, one of the biggest improvements has been the amount we listen to users. If you took the time to go through and read all the forum changes you would see all the credit given to users, the number of ideas that have originated out of this forum.

At times we make administrative decisions that aren't popular and at the end of the day, this is a free service and at times we have to make unpopular decisions for what we believe is the greater good. We have a method for you to express yourselves, and you have done just that. You have also recieved a reply stating very clearly that your points are valid, and explaining why we have considered that points but choose to trial it regardless. So yes, we did listen to the users, however listening to the users does not imply always doing what is suggested. Though I would point out that even when we need to make those decisions at an administrative level (ie: cutting down the number of forums) we did try and take the maximum level of user input (by utilizing the forum chopping block thread).

So please, get your facts straight before you lecture me.

I clearly did not say you don't listen to users. So don't go all defensive. I'm saying listen to them, now.

This change is pointless, non-staff can't do anything other than post.

You're trying to fix a problem which doesn't exist. Don't fix it if it isn't broken.

When was the last time a HxF user was hacked and caused problems on the forum? I can't remember any? If it does happen, what's the worst thing that can happen, they'll post naughty words? The Mods are here for a reason.

Btw, replying saying my points are valid but we're doing it regardless doesn't make things better. It just annoys people.

[GommeInc]

I clearly did not say you don't listen to users. So don't go all defensive. I'm saying listen to them, now.

This change is pointless, non-staff can't do anything other than post.

You're trying to fix a problem which doesn't exist. Don't fix it if it isn't broken.

When was the last time a HxF user was hacked and caused problems on the forum? I can't remember any? If it does happen, what's the worst thing that can happen, they'll post naughty words? The Mods are here for a reason.

Btw, replying saying my points are valid but we're doing it regardless doesn't make things better. It just annoys people.

He does have a point - there hasn't been a problem for a while now, and the way it was portrayed was that it happens regularly and that loads of people have this happen, when that simply hasn't been the case for ages! Also, don't members have to have their first few posts checked, or was that removed?

[scottish]

yeh first 15 posts are requierd to be confirmed.