BNP

[Alkaz]

I like the BNP, some larger parties should adopt there policies.
You say immigration is good, tourists are good but immigrants taking money from the system isnt good. Nor is it them being able to send a large lump of that money home!

People from outside the UK who have children at home and they are working in the UK can claim child benefits for their child and send it home even though they are not in the country. My dad has been trying for 4 months to change the name of the person who claims this for my sister, thats just wrong in my opinion.

[N!ck]

I'm sorry, but you need to read between the lines of what the BNP say and their policies. They are not directly racist as they would get in a lot of trouble for it. A lot of their policies do initially seem attractive and I like them at first. But actually look into how they plan on implimenting them and what they're going to do. I see why they are attractive to a lot of the members of this forum as we're young. But please, think. The BNP are very similar to the Nazi party. That's not necessarily a bad thing in some respects by the way.

[Hecktix]

- Withdrawal from EU - The BNP are actually going to use the money we get on worthy projects and hopefully sort this recession crisis, like I have said I don't know much about policies and don't follow any other party polices, this is just appealing to me because it needs something done about it asap.

Don't quite see how the BNP can sort the recession. Every single BNP policy involves SPENDING money. There is NO clear definitive way of saving money, or how they will get the extra money they want to pay people to leave the country (that are actually british citizens:S), more hospital beds, lower taxes.. I just dont see how they are going to pay for it?

The BNP are racist facists. If you want to support a party that don't like the EU or Immigration, support UKIP.

The BNP aren't against immigrants, they are against people who aren't white.

For instance. I know someone who is British, however his skin is not white. His father is also British, his skin was not white either, his father's father is also British but his father's father's father immigrated here from India.

The BNP would pay my friend £40 000 (of OUR money) to leave the Country, even though he is British?

It's fair enough saying stop immigration, I see why people get annoyed with it but the BNP aren't looking to stop immigration, they are looking to clear this country of anybody that isn't of the 'British Gene' aka WHITE.

My opinion of the BNP is strictly no go.

I am part of groups against the BNP, and I will be attending several anti-BNP demonstrations over the summer Including one at the BNP's red white & blue festival.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Two facts people generally dont know about immigration.

You know at the hight of Britains power, when we had the empire.
We had a true open door policy, anyone who wanted to could come to Britain.

Then we decided to limit immigration... empire collaposed.

The same thing played out with the roman empire too...

Historically its played out that way quite a few times. Immigration is good for a society, it brings in about 3 billion a year now, and would be alot higher if we had a open door policy. Problem is they make an easy target to blame (like the jews did for Hitler) and generally because of are greed get the boot. Society then pretty much collapses.

Any economist will tell you immigration is good for a society, the more immigration there is (people bringing money and spending power in to the country) the better of that society generally is.

But most parties, like the BNP, ignore facts. As in reality they want to play the popularty game and get rich off it. None of em care about the effect it will actually have on are economy.

Capital Punishment? I'm personally not a fan of resorting to dark age style punishments, i prefer moving forwards not backwards. Killing people just isnt on my agenda. Equally it costs alot more than prison would, generally results in innocent people being killed, ands totally hypocritical.

EU wize, where in a good position as it is, i don't want the Euro, but currently an EU charter is pretty much the only thing standing before the UK and a police state the way things are heading. 1984 isn't my idea of an ideal lifestyle so having a body that can keep some control over the government isnt all bad

Partys like the BNP, just play the popularity game. Much like Hitler did. Equally they generally agree on alot of the policies too. None of which will do the country any good. People need to stop mindlessly agreeing and basing the opinion on prejudiced, learn the real facts and vote for a party run by people who actually give a crap what these are
My position on the BNP i suspect should be quite clear now.

The Empire did not collapse because of immigration policy, infact there wasn't an open door policy to Britain as the whole point of the colonies was to control them but not allow them to be part of the United Kingdom, hence control. You have made this up to prove a point, when the collapse of the Empire had nothing to do with immigration.

The 1980s were not a police state, infact we are now a police state than we have ever been. The reforms Thatcher brought in ment the government had less control than it had ever done over nearly every aspect of life. The amount of cameras, CCTV, government powers and regulations from whitehall and the European Union now, are more than they have ever been.

Dark age style punishment? - no its called justice, its better than now with murderers and criminals getting two years 'life'. That isn't justice, thats disgusting. Justice isn't hypocritical, you murder someone you have your life taken by the state - simple as that. If we dont have the death penalty back, then we at least need tougher prison sentences with an end to the luxaries prisoners get in prison.

Immigration figures do not include the expenses of benefits, National Health Service costs, police costs, prison costs and other costs which are exploited by a large number of immigrations. A lot of immigrants do come here for benefits and so forth, hence why they travel over numerous seas/countrys to come here. The costs also do not include the negative impact a lot of them are having on peoples lives in which communties have become replicas of Poland, Pakistan and so forth.

In conclusion, immigration can only be profitable and good for this country if its controlled and we take in people who we need.

[Mentor]

The Empire did not collapse because of immigration policy, infact there wasn't an open door policy to Britain as the whole point of the colonies was to control them but not allow them to be part of the United Kingdom, hence control. You have made this up to prove a point, when the collapse of the Empire had nothing to do with immigration.

Its a correlation, not a causation, the second world war also played a big part. Though what i have said is true, the colonies were the Britain. Just as Scotland, england, wales etc are still Britain. They were all part of the British empire, everyone in them was a British citizen, anyone of them, if they wished, could move straight in to england if they wished, just as any Englishman could move to any of the British colonies.

The British empire was powerful because it included everyone. Rather than excluding people with immigration laws, we let them join Britain, let them work and bring there skills in. There is no downside to that.
It worked for the romans and every other major empire that has ever existed. The US is only a super power now as a side effect of its initial open boarders policy.

The 1980s were not a police state, infact we are now a police state than we have ever been. The reforms Thatcher brought in ment the government had less control than it had ever done over nearly every aspect of life. The amount of cameras, CCTV, government powers and regulations from whitehall and the European Union now, are more than they have ever been.

Please tell me your jokeing and know what 1984 is >.< (clue: very very famous book)

Dark age style punishment? - no its called justice, its better than now with murderers and criminals getting two years 'life'. That isn't justice, thats disgusting.

So someone kills someone, your idea of justice is kill them? does that not logically equate to you deserving to be killed too?

Prison isnt fun and is a punishment. Just because its not some sort of blood fueled vendetta of vengeance, doesn't make it any less justice. In fact it makes it more justice.

The dark age style killings arnt the mark of a civilized country.

Justice isn't hypocritical, you murder someone you have your life taken by the state - simple as that. If we dont have the death penalty back, then we at least need tougher prison sentences with an end to the luxaries prisoners get in prison.

Vengeance !== justice.
The concept works on the idea we are better than the people who go around killing and causing suffering. And thus stop these people from being a danger and punish them. But don't drop to there level and kill and cause undue suffering to them,

Immigration figures do not include the expenses of benefits, National Health Service costs, police costs, prison costs and other costs which are exploited by a large number of immigrations.

Yes they do?

A lot of immigrants do come here for benefits and so forth, hence why they travel over numerous seas/countrys to come here. The costs also do not include the negative impact a lot of them are having on peoples lives in which communties have become replicas of Poland, Pakistan and so forth.

The amount of able bodied immigrants not working and receiving benefits can actually be counted on one hand.. literally. I belive in the UK today there are about 4. Its a totally myth with no basis in reality.

In conclusion, immigration can only be profitable and good for this country if its controlled and we take in people who we need.

Controlled immigration has never worked, an open doors policy has always worked. Historically that is.
Gaining workers and skills cannot cause a net loss. The only argument against them is from lazy uneducated idiots who expect to get payed a lot without having to do any real work. Then blame immigrants on the lack of jobs like this existing. They could easily get a job scrubbing toilets if they wanted, but most of em would rather do bugger all and live of the state. The exact thing they end up accusing the immigrants who are doing these jobs of doing.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Its a correlation, not a causation, the second world war also played a big part. Though what i have said is true, the colonies were the Britain. Just as Scotland, england, wales etc are still Britain. They were all part of the British empire, everyone in them was a British citizen, anyone of them, if they wished, could move straight in to england if they wished, just as any Englishman could move to any of the British colonies.

The British empire was powerful because it included everyone. Rather than excluding people with immigration laws, we let them join Britain, let them work and bring there skills in. There is no downside to that.
It worked for the romans and every other major empire that has ever existed. The US is only a super power now as a side effect of its initial open boarders policy.


Please tell me your jokeing and know what 1984 is >.< (clue: very very famous book)


So someone kills someone, your idea of justice is kill them? does that not logically equate to you deserving to be killed too?

Prison isnt fun and is a punishment. Just because its not some sort of blood fueled vendetta of vengeance, doesn't make it any less justice. In fact it makes it more justice.

The dark age style killings arnt the mark of a civilized country.

Vengeance !== justice.
The concept works on the idea we are better than the people who go around killing and causing suffering. And thus stop these people from being a danger and punish them. But don't drop to there level and kill and cause undue suffering to them,


Yes they do?

The amount of able bodied immigrants not working and receiving benefits can actually be counted on one hand.. literally. I belive in the UK today there are about 4. Its a totally myth with no basis in reality.


Controlled immigration has never worked, an open doors policy has always worked. Historically that is.
Gaining workers and skills cannot cause a net loss. The only argument against them is from lazy uneducated idiots who expect to get payed a lot without having to do any real work. Then blame immigrants on the lack of jobs like this existing. They could easily get a job scrubbing toilets if they wanted, but most of em would rather do bugger all and live of the state. The exact thing they end up accusing the immigrants who are doing these jobs of doing.

Everyone in the British Empire were not granted citzenship of the United Kingdom, otherwise a lot of them would of came here but were not allowed. The British were granted citzenship in the colonies as they travelled there to invest and the colonial governments were controlled by the monarch, British Raj etc.

In those days people emmigrated/travelled to other countrys to work, the United States never had, and still doesn't have a benefits system such as we had, therefore the people who worked moved there, hence why it became a superpower.

I wrote a comment on your reputation to correct myself, Jordy (forum member told me you ment the book and not the year) .

That is indeed my idea of justice, you kill a little girl you deserve nothing better than death. It is not dropping to their level as they have killed someone for no reason/when it is illegal, however they are being killed for a reason, for committing a terrible crime.

They don't, its been shown a lot of times that immigration figures/crime figures from this government do not include key areas when working out statistics, therefore I wouldn't believe any figures this government throws out.

It is not a total myth at all, the real myth is that we gain massively from uncontrolled immigration when we do not, criminals/terrorists and all sorts of people are getting into this country. The state will not allow illegal/legal immigrations to starve and do give them benefits and housing, you can see it in areas such as Birmingham and others around the country where council housing is now used to house these people.

Controlled immigration does work, nearly every other country except ours has some sort of controlled immigration policy and are not on their knees.

[GommeInc]

So someone kills someone, your idea of justice is kill them? does that not logically equate to you deserving to be killed too?

Prison isnt fun and is a punishment. Just because its not some sort of blood fueled vendetta of vengeance, doesn't make it any less justice. In fact it makes it more justice.

The dark age style killings arnt the mark of a civilized country.

Indeed. Surely using that logic (which loads of people do), whoever did the first killing probably wanted "justice" because the person they killed had done something bad too. So for example:

Person A had his dog kicked in the park by person B.
Person A wants justice for his dog. He kills person B.
Person A is then killed, because the people who knew person B and the courts of justice want justice for his murder, therefore they kill person A by letting a person C, who is legally allowed to kill person A to kill him.

It's one huge line of contradictions/irony/hypocrisy (whatever, tired) when the "justice" one-liner is used in this discussion.

I support re-habilitation and/or tougher prison sentences, where prisons are horrifically bad and not fit for a nun. Small, cramped and lonely. The prison service could double their space if they shrunk prisons by half for cramped environments.

[-:Undertaker:-]

However 'Person C' has the right of the state to throw the switch/etc and has not committed illegal murder to by granted execution himself. The way I see it, if you kill someone in cold blood, totally unprovoked then you deserve execution. As for your point on prisons I totally agree, if we're not to have the death penalty then we should at least have a real life sentence used and prisons should be like prisons, rather than holiday camps with art class/gym/etc.

[Bun]

reading this thread has worried me, the support the BNP is getting is scaringly increasing.

[alexxxxx]

The BNP do not make sense and would for sure ruin the country. They want to increase public spending by a ridiculous amount (we already spend some of the largest amounts of money in the world on the army per capita, yet they believe it's nessasary even when they want to pull us out of wars and yet somehow cut everyone's taxes. They want to send immigrants and sons and daughters of immigrants of those with british passports back to their origin.

The immigrants taking from the system is a myth. A real big lie. Barely any immigrants can claim benefits at all. Buttons made the first mistake of grouping asylum seekers and immigrants, they AREN'T the same thing. Asylum seekers claim benefits because they aren't allowed to work at all. Also, I don't have problems with immigration at all.

Some people don't like people who aren't white, some people don't like people who aren't from western europe, some people don't like people who aren't british, some people don't like people who aren't english, some people don't like people who aren't from yorkshire, some people don't like people who aren't from sheffield, some people don't like people from different parts of sheffield. Where do you stop?

Open-door immigration, free trade, open borders makes perfect sense economically.

Capital Punishment is vile. It appeals to bloodthirsty vengance seekers.

The BNP hate gays, jews and anyone who isn't of northern/western european heritage. They appeal to the working class because they give answers to 'BROKEN BRITAIN OMG' articles in the Daily Mail and The Sun who scapegoat everything on immigrants, PC-RUBBISH, nu-lierbore, teenagers, social workers and the eu and the bbc.