General Election ~ Should one be called now?

[Niall!]

I can't believe i'm being told by a EU supporter that my views don't reflect those of the nation. I am afraid they do, the French, Dutch, Irish all rejected it and it would of been rejected if we had been given the referendum we were promised.

Can I ask, would you support the proposal for the whole of Europe to have a referendum on whether or not they want their country to be in the European Union?

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Would you support the United Kingdom having a referendum on the Libson Treaty?

Implying the French, Dutch and Irish have anything to do with the British nation.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Implying the French, Dutch and Irish have anything to do with the British nation.

Well taking into account they were the only three nations to give their people a say on the reformation of the European Union (two have since forced it through and the Irish are only getting to vote again because their consititution forces them to hold one when national sovereign powers are being give away), and considering we are one of, if not the most anti-EU country in Europe i'd say the chances of the treaty passing in this country are very small.

People would vote for the European Union yes, because they are often the left who would love to see a European Superstate - but the fact remains, people do not want it hence why we are not being given the option.

[GommeInc]

I think he shouldn't, a democracy is all about voting for someone to be the leader of the country. Gordon Brown was not voted, he got chucked the status at him. The country should be given the vote, afterall, that's what a deomocracy is and if people want Brown, they will vote for him. He cannot pick himself up between now and summer, it would be impossible considering the sorry state we're in, especially when he goes back on his word like I.D. cards.

As for the EU, it's again an unelected party that destroys national identities. The only benefits of the EU were before the EU wanted power - when trading was easier (even though there's not that much difference, companies still stick to their base countries) and anyone in the EU could freely travel around europe (of course with some limitations). That's the only time I remember the EU working, now the EU wants power it's causing conflicts with all countries yet the EU aren't there to care about the individual countries, they only want money and power (and an army if rumours are true).

I fail to see the benefits of a United States of Europa. It will fall apart at the seams and won't go anywhere other than poverty being wiped around everywhere, because the rich countries would have to contribute towards the poor, even though neither of countries want such a help.

[Jordy]

I agree that Gordon Brown is unelected but bare in mind when you vote, you're voting for the party not someone to lead the country. You vote the party in the hope that they will always have their best person leading the party throughout their term.

If we began voting in a leader of the UK instead, surely they'd be more of a president than prime minister.

[alexxxxx]

stick it out to the bitter end. make some grand-scale policy changes but don't sell out on your ideas. and do it now so it sets in. there's no reason for him to hold an election, he has nothing to lose.

and there isn't enough in the news for anyone to really understand what goes on there apart from odd laws that get passed. once people are more involved and the media start picking it up i think more people would be interested in europolitics. united we stand, divided we fall.

[GommeInc]

I agree that Gordon Brown is unelected but bare in mind when you vote, you're voting for the party not someone to lead the country. You vote the party in the hope that they will always have their best person leading the party throughout their term.

If we began voting in a leader of the UK instead, surely they'd be more of a president than prime minister.

Indeed, but when you vote you tend to vote for the party who has a campaign behind them to "promise" (I use that loosely ) certain changes, and the leader of the party usually is at the hub of the campaign and you then hope that if there is a new person put in place of the Prime Minister, they will keep on target with what they were voted in for (and with the current Labour Government, I'm not sure what those goals were/are :/ )

I don't really see Brown as Prime Minister, he's just someone who took the place of Blair until another party is voted in.

[alexxxxx]

Indeed, but when you vote you tend to vote for the party who has a campaign behind them to "promise" (I use that loosely ) certain changes, and the leader of the party usually is at the hub of the campaign and you then hope that if there is a new person put in place of the Prime Minister, they will keep on target with what they were voted in for (and with the current Labour Government, I'm not sure what those goals were/are :/ )

I don't really see Brown as Prime Minister, he's just someone who took the place of Blair until another party is voted in.

well that's not how our democratic system works. and he was voted in as an MP in his local area that he represents. some people DID vote for him.

[GommeInc]

well that's not how our democratic system works. and he was voted in as an MP in his local area that he represents. some people DID vote for him.

Sadly not, which is why people look at it as a shambles Yes, but that's some, not everyone had the choice. It's like me saying I voted (whoever it was in the local elections) and now I expect him to be PM.

[Frodo13.]

Sadly not, which is why people look at it as a shambles Yes, but that's some, not everyone had the choice. It's like me saying I voted (whoever it was in the local elections) and now I expect him to be PM.

Well if we physically have to vote him as PM, then we should start voting for all PM's from now on. The whole thing about him being unelected is utter nonsence - he was re-elected to Parliament in 2005, and therefore has every right to be PM.

And as per usual, Undertaker has got his fact wrong. Ireland is the only EU state to have held a referendum, and thats only because it is a legal obligation to do so. At least do a tiny bit of research before you splurt rubbish over the forum.

[ifuseekamy]

No one was exactly against Brown though, it was all "omg Tony Blair sucks yay for a new prime minister!!!" :rolleyes: I never understood the EU, I don't know who gave permission to some people to be the unelected rulers of the nations of Europe. It's a pointless plan to give some autocrats unlimited power.