Moderating

[Hecktix]

As far as I can see Jake all your usernotes (in 2009) are just copies of PMs, apart from the odd couple which are extremely minor rule breaks (noted by people of superior authority not just a moderator) and they even say on the note "PM not needed".

You're talking VERY minor rule breaks for that though that you didn't do anything specifically wrong, it's just been noted for record i think?

[Immenseman]

Could you do a 5 minute job, edit the group perms

Can View User Notes About Self Yes No

from no to yes, then you can see your user notes and see when they break rules and anything else

like atm i've had i think like 3 pm's (one from november) and two this year, but then i'm being threatened about being banned for being negative or something, if it wasn't for someone telling me this on msn i wouldn't have a clue?

That'd require too much common sense. I think we should be able to see our user notes too or at least ensure a PM is sent every time. I don't care if this is supposed to be done. It isn't being done ATM.

We shall be having talks for sure.




Like who for that matter?

That's good you'll be talking to them and ensure that there is clarity on the matter. In this instance I'm on about the AFM. If he had actually looked back on my account he would of seen I was banned in the last year and have been staff in the last year. So he shouldn't be mentioning user notes, infractions and warnings that happened a year ago when I've already been punished for such offences. It makes absolutely no sense.

That's what I mean about looking through what has happened before jumping to conclusions. He also said I got away with things when I was staff. Again, if he'd looked into it he would have seen I was punished numerous times. He didn't. He jumped to conclusions and got it wrong.

As far as I can see Jake all your usernotes (in 2009) are just copies of PMs, apart from the odd couple which are extremely minor rule breaks (noted by people of superior authority not just a moderator) and they even say on the note "PM not needed".

You're talking VERY minor rule breaks for that though that you didn't do anything specifically wrong, it's just been noted for record i think?

How many have I had in 2009? If it's just been minor offences this year then why has all this been started now. You can't drag things up from 2008 because I was banned in 2008 for having too many, end of 2008. So surely the user notes that should be taken into account are the ones that have happened this year. I was staff for 2 months this year so it can't be anything hideous.

I was told I had loads yet I know that other members have 18/19 who have been banned, like I have. At the end of the day how can I have so many yet so little infractions/warnings which the ban system is placed around.

[xxMATTGxx]

Could you do a 5 minute job, edit the group perms

Can View User Notes About Self Yes No

from no to yes, then you can see your user notes and see when they break rules and anything else

like atm i've had i think like 3 pm's (one from november) and two this year, but then i'm being threatened about being banned for being negative or something, if it wasn't for someone telling me this on msn i wouldn't have a clue?

Yes that is more than less a 5 minute job and can be easily done but it would cause too much fuss and arguments when people start reading their usernotes and disagreements and so on will be thrown at the moderator and management departments.

[Immenseman]

Yes that is more than less a 5 minute job and can be easily done but it would cause too much fuss and arguments when people start reading their usernotes and disagreements and so on will be thrown at the moderator and management departments.

Only a cause will be fussed if they're unfair. It's like they're being hid so we can't see so we don't cause a fuss. However, if it was all in the open then such a fuss wouldn't be caused and people would behave better. If I knew I had so many - I wasn't even aware I had 5 - then I would have ensured that I didn't get any more and this would never have happened.

[Hecktix]

Before the PM you are querying you had 12 usernotes in 2009.

Only 3 of them appear that a PM might not have been sent, the other 9 are carbon copies of PMs.

[mat64]

Whilst we're talking usernotes, are my old ones still there?

[Immenseman]

Before the PM you are querying you had 12 usernotes in 2009.

Only 3 of them appear that a PM might not have been sent, the other 9 are carbon copies of PMs.

That's still 25% not being sent. I don't care if they say "PM not needed". A PM should be sent anyway because it's my account and I'm a member. I guarantee if I could see every single one not every one would be valid.

Maybe that's why we can't see them to paper over the cracks in a poor moderation system. Imagine that you were told you were going to be sent to prison but not allowed to see all the evidence. Obviously, it's not like that but I think it's a decent comparison to get people to see my point.

[xxMATTGxx]

Whilst we're talking usernotes, are my old ones still there?

No your clean .

[Immenseman]

Also, maybe they shouldn't be kept forever, user notes that is. If I was banned in Decemeber 2008 for getting too many and now Garion is saying I have too many over the last year. So he's counting the ones before I was banned for having too many and the ones after, which is stupid.

If he hadn't said over the last year it wouldn't have mattered. It's ludicrous that he can count things I've already been punished for.

In the PM he gave a number of warnings and infractions. Was that counting reversed ones? As I mentioned 60% of the 5 warning/infractions I can see on my user CP, have been reversed which speaks volumes in the level of moderating.

[leah]

I think one of the biggest problems with usernotes is unlike infractions & warnings, they don't expire. So it's a permanent record, which as you say, if you had a usernote for trolling dated back to Dec 2008, and you were trolling the forum today, would it be fair to give you a profile-visible warning straight away - but I suppose that depends on the moderator & their judgement.

I was going to raise this point, so seeing that a moderator has also raised the point shows that there is a problem. What if someone has 2 usernotes for the same offence and is then warned for that offence... surely they have been punished for that offence warranting the user notes to be removed. As they are permanant, even if you've already been punished for some of them, you might be re-punished - this is definitely not fair and leaves the member ambiguous on the situation.

I think usernotes should expire, once a member has been punished for something they already have usernotes on.

edit: lol clearly Jake has the same view